2023 Divisional Round Thread

[jamf]

You guys and your build around Howell bullshit.
Ok maybe he is the guy, there is a high likelyhood that he isn’t.

Look at Dallas. Dak dazzled for a few games and got a huge contract. Dak also lost this game. You can’t compete without elite QB play. The ceiling has to be higher than Howell.

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by jamf

You guys and your build around Howell bullshit.
Ok maybe he is the guy, there is a high likelyhood that he isn’t.

Look at Dallas. Dak dazzled for a few games and got a huge contract. Dak also lost this game. You can’t compete without elite QB play. The ceiling has to be higher than Howell.

How do you know after 1 game what a players ceiling is? … what is Brock Purdy ceiling he was last guy drafted( so that blows draft position =ceiling out of water) .. I would like to know who you think is the answer at QB ..what was Hurts ceiling his first year ? He was not good ..where would Brock Purdy be drafted now ?? Watching him play I would take him in first round .. He is allready better than a lot of First round can’t miss players .. In fact right now I would try and Trade For Purdy ..

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

How do you know after 1 game what a players ceiling is? … what is Brock Purdy ceiling he was last guy drafted( so that blows draft position =ceiling out of water) .. I would like to know who you think is the answer at QB ..what was Hurts ceiling his first year ? He was not good ..where would Brock Purdy be drafted now ?? Watching him play I would take him in first round .. He is allready better than a lot of First round can’t miss players .. In fact right now I would try and Trade For Purdy ..

Brock plays on a offense with a ton of talent and with a genius of a offensive minded coach. Put Brock on this team he be a lot different. Plus Brock is game managing not making mistakes that is what is making him good, if the 9ers get in a situation where they are down big and he has to start slinging it, its going be a different story.

Howell is the penciled in starter because we have no other QBs on the 2023 roster.

I don't think anyone is against SH, I just think we are saying "awesome that was one good game against a Dallas team clearly looking to the playoffs the following week". What I am against and i believe others too is thinking that QB1 need box is checked off, it is clearly not. SH has a ton to prove.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

How do you know after 1 game what a players ceiling is? … what is Brock Purdy ceiling he was last guy drafted( so that blows draft position =ceiling out of water) .. I would like to know who you think is the answer at QB ..what was Hurts ceiling his first year ? He was not good ..where would Brock Purdy be drafted now ?? Watching him play I would take him in first round .. He is allready better than a lot of First round can’t miss players .. In fact right now I would try and Trade For Purdy ..

Purdy was 19/29, 214 yards, 53.1 QBR

Purdy is a nice story. So was Nick Mullens and Taylor Heinike.

I feel like were the drunk guy at the end of the night with beer googles on re young unproven QBs.

Way over estimating and projecting.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by jamf

You guys and your build around Howell bullshit.
Ok maybe he is the guy, there is a high likelyhood that he isn’t.

Look at Dallas. Dak dazzled for a few games and got a huge contract. Dak also lost this game. You can’t compete without elite QB play. The ceiling has to be higher than Howell.

If you can figure out a way to get Herbert, Mahommes, Hurts, or Burrow to town let me know. Not sure what our other options are with other holes, not a ton of cap, and the 16th pick in a fairly week quarterback class Jamf. Like i said before im all for drafting a guy mid round like we did Howell and letting them battle it out.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by jamf

You guys and your build around Howell bullshit.
Ok maybe he is the guy, there is a high likelyhood that he isn’t.

Look at Dallas. Dak dazzled for a few games and got a huge contract. Dak also lost this game. You can’t compete without elite QB play. The ceiling has to be higher than Howell.

Look at San Fran, investing in Purdy has them a game away. They didn’t quit looking after putting draft capital into Trey Lance.

You ALWAYS need to be looking.

I’d say let’s see what’s Howell got, but also keep your eyes on the draft

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Look at San Fran, investing in Purdy has them a game away. They didn’t quit looking after putting draft capital into Trey Lance.

You ALWAYS need to be looking.

I’d say let’s see what’s Howell got, but also keep your eyes on the draft

You make a solid point with that example.

I'm not opposed to drafting a QB. I think they should. And I don't care where he's drafted, as long as their evaluation of the QB is commensurate with where he is drafted.

Can't go into the 2023 season with all our eggs in the Sam Howell basket.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You make a solid point with that example.

I'm not opposed to drafting a QB. I think they should. And I don't care where he's drafted, as long as their evaluation of the QB is commensurate with where he is drafted.

Can't go into the 2023 season with all our eggs in the Sam Howell basket.

Do u consider the last pick in the draft an investment ? It is about as minor investment as you can make. We will go into 2023 with three quarterbacks on our final roster and Sam will have to beat them out in camp to start. That is obvious. The question remains what will we invest in those other guys? Some people on this board (not you im just piggybacking on your post) are acting like we can just bring in some big time arms to fight for the job. Where are they coming from? I wish that when people say things like “ sam didn’t earn anything and needs to have competition “ they would elaborate. Are you wanting to give up draft picks to take a guy like Levis? Are you wanting to give up a ton of cash and whatever else for Carr? Are you wanting to reach on say Richardson in the first? Right now Sam is our best option. So if you are not in favor of giving up picks or cash or both for someone specific than where is this strong competition coming from? Andy fucking Dalton?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Do u consider the last pick in the draft an investment ? It is about as minor investment as you can make. We will go into 2023 with three quarterbacks on our final roster and Sam will have to beat them out in camp to start. That is obvious. The question remains what will we invest in those other guys? Some people on this board (not you im just piggybacking on your post) are acting like we can just bring in some big time arms to fight for the job. Where are they coming from? I wish that when people say things like “ sam didn’t earn anything and needs to have competition “ they would elaborate. Are you wanting to give up draft picks to take a guy like Levis? Are you wanting to give up a ton of cash and whatever else for Carr? Are you wanting to reach on say Richardson in the first? Right now Sam is our best option. So if you are not in favor of giving up picks or cash or both for someone specific than where is this strong competition coming from? Andy fucking Dalton?

Personally, I do consider the last pick in the draft an investment, albeit minor as you said. Had SF picked any other available player, they likely wouldn't be playing in the NFC Championship next weekend. They took the pick serious, and drafted Purdy. They could have taken a chance and tried to pick him up after the draft, but they decided to invest the draft pick on him to ensure they got him.

There are so many scenarios and what-ifs that we can go through from here until the start of the season. For me, I really don't care where they get the competition. I'd rather not go after Carr, Garappolo, etc., and I don't really want to trade up to get a QB, but if they decide to take one of these courses of action - fine. Hope it works.

My hope is Sam is the guy, but I would like them to bring in a 'Brisett type guy' who they also like, and have a competition. Hopefully Sam wins and the Veteran QB will be his competent backup. I would also like them to draft a QB to develop for the future. I would rather fill some other holes with the earlier draft picks and pick a QB later, but ultimately I don't care where the QB is drafted as long as the value makes sense.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Personally, I do consider the last pick in the draft an investment, albeit minor as you said. Had SF picked any other available player, they likely wouldn't be playing in the NFC Championship next weekend. They took the pick serious, and drafted Purdy. They could have taken a chance and tried to pick him up after the draft, but they decided to invest the draft pick on him to ensure they got him.

There are so many scenarios and what-ifs that we can go through from here until the start of the season. For me, I really don't care where they get the competition. I'd rather not go after Carr, Garappolo, etc., and I don't really want to trade up to get a QB, but if they decide to take one of these courses of action - fine. Hope it works.

My hope is Sam is the guy, but I would like them to bring in a 'Brisett type guy' who they also like, and have a competition. Hopefully Sam wins and the Veteran QB will be his competent backup. I would also like them to draft a QB to develop for the future. I would rather fill some other holes with the earlier draft picks and pick a QB later, but ultimately I don't care where the QB is drafted as long as the value makes sense.

This is exactly how i feel. Well said. And Yeah you are right any pick is an investment at the end of the day.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I wish that when people say things like “ sam didn’t earn anything and needs to have competition “ they would elaborate. Are you wanting to give up draft picks to take a guy like Levis? Are you wanting to give up a ton of cash and whatever else for Carr? Are you wanting to reach on say Richardson in the first? Right now Sam is our best option.

Yes to trading up if they believe a Levis is a franchise QB

Yes to giving Carr a 3yr/100M/50M guar contract

Yes to taking Richardson if he falls naturally to us and they have a 1st round grade

Yes to signing a Brissett, drafting another day 2-3 QB and seeing what happens

Yes to every possible QB option

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I like Howell but Im not pausing my search for the next Burrow/Allen/Mahomes bc we have a 5th round rookie QB on the roster

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Yes to trading up if they believe a Levis is a franchise QB

Yes to giving Carr a 3yr/100M/50M guar contract

Yes to taking Richardson if he falls naturally to us and they have a 1st round grade

Yes to signing a Brissett, drafting another day 2-3 QB and seeing what happens

Yes to every possible QB option

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I like Howell but Im not pausing my search for the next Burrow/Allen/Mahomes bc we have a 5th round rookie QB on the roster

I don't want a lameduck HC/front office making any massive investments in either money or draft picks for anyone, a QB included. Where we are as a franchise, in terms of the strong chance of turnover and the possible sale of the team, Howell makes the most sense in 2023 in that regards too. Major decisions should be saved for 2024 imo.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Yes to trading up if they believe a Levis is a franchise QB

Yes to giving Carr a 3yr/100M/50M guar contract

Yes to taking Richardson if he falls naturally to us and they have a 1st round grade

Yes to signing a Brissett, drafting another day 2-3 QB and seeing what happens

Yes to every possible QB option

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I like Howell but Im not pausing my search for the next Burrow/Allen/Mahomes bc we have a 5th round rookie QB on the roster

Absolutely never stop searching and doing your due diligence. I can tell you Carr is definitely not the next burrow/allen/mahommes though lol. Signing Brissett and drafting a later round guy im all for. Richardson im probably passing on if there is, and there will be, a shutdown corner or stud tackle/G available.

Cant get desperate and start trading picks and paying for every possible option- thats how you wind up with Wentz……

Loving the turmoil in Dallas btw!