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[nonniey]

So got into it with a couple of co-workers over that 14 year old that beat that 9 year old. They want more punishment dished out than I think is appropriate. And of course one raised that the only reason little was done (I dispute this say we don't know all of what was done). What does the board think is appropriate? punishment?
My argument is that age matters (he is still only 14). One of the guys doesn't think age should ever matter (he agreed with example of a separate case of a DA pushing to prosecute an 8 year old as an adult).


https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/s...-in-homestead/

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So got into it with a couple of co-workers over that 14 year old that beat that 9 year old. They want more punishment dished out than I think is appropriate. And of course one raised that the only reason little was done (I dispute this say we don't know all of what was done). What does the board think is appropriate? punishment?
My argument is that age matters (he is still only 14). One of the guys doesn't think age should ever matter (he agreed with example of a separate case of a DA pushing to prosecute an 8 year old as an adult).


https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/s...-in-homestead/

The kid was arrested and mom plans to press charges, so that’s good. I think we need to focus more in the school problem or there were adults on the bus who didn’t stop it. If folks at the school are not protecting kids or removing the trash like this 14 year from the school, then people should lose there jobs.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So got into it with a couple of co-workers over that 14 year old that beat that 9 year old. They want more punishment dished out than I think is appropriate. And of course one raised that the only reason little was done (I dispute this say we don't know all of what was done). What does the board think is appropriate? punishment?
My argument is that age matters (he is still only 14). One of the guys doesn't think age should ever matter (he agreed with example of a separate case of a DA pushing to prosecute an 8 year old as an adult).


https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/s...-in-homestead/

Huge difference btw 9 and 14, huge difference btw boy and girl.

14 year olds should absolutely be referred to juvie here. There nothing will happen, there is no jail time for juvies but they do have to complete conditions and are monitored.

14 year old fucks up some more, he can go stand in a long line of dumb teens who dont graduate High School and go straight to jail. When he is in his mid 40s he can look through his little tiny thin rectangle window and watch as his classmate drive by drinking their starbucks going to and from work.

This is beyond a just internal school discipline imo. if it was 14 year old boy vs 14 year old boy = keep it in school.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So got into it with a couple of co-workers over that 14 year old that beat that 9 year old. They want more punishment dished out than I think is appropriate. And of course one raised that the only reason little was done (I dispute this say we don't know all of what was done). What does the board think is appropriate? punishment?
My argument is that age matters (he is still only 14). One of the guys doesn't think age should ever matter (he agreed with example of a separate case of a DA pushing to prosecute an 8 year old as an adult).


https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/s...-in-homestead/

I’m sure you have heard about the 6 year who shot the teacher here in Virginia…go ahead and reading how violent this child is from the Teacher who almost died and the pieces of incompetent shit that runs these shitholes schools do nothing to protect the teachers:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news...ebruary-6-2023

wounded his first-grade teacher constantly cursed at staff and teachers, chased students around and tried to whip them with his belt and once choked another teacher “until she couldn't breathe

Two days before the shooting, the boy allegedly “slammed” Zwerner's cell phone and broke it, according to the claim notice. He was given a one-day suspension, but when he returned to Zwerner's class the following day, he pulled a 9mm handgun out of his pocket and shot her while she sat at a reading table


I’m so happy she is going to sue and win big. That administration as well as the parents should be held accountable.


Richmond School Board overturned 92% of principal recommendations to expel students last year

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news...ebruary-6-2023

Of course here in Richmond which holds some of the worst schools in the state…they are extremely dangerous and school board is in favor of not disciplining students…instead letting the trash that shows up (over 20 percent are chronically absent) keeps the schools feel unsafe which recent surveys of teachers and school bodies show.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I’m sure you have heard about the 6 year who shot the teacher here in Virginia…go ahead and reading how violent this child is from the Teacher who almost died and the pieces of incompetent shit that runs these shitholes schools do nothing to protect the teachers:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news...ebruary-6-2023

wounded his first-grade teacher constantly cursed at staff and teachers, chased students around and tried to whip them with his belt and once choked another teacher “until she couldn't breathe

Two days before the shooting, the boy allegedly “slammed” Zwerner's cell phone and broke it, according to the claim notice. He was given a one-day suspension, but when he returned to Zwerner's class the following day, he pulled a 9mm handgun out of his pocket and shot her while she sat at a reading table


I’m so happy she is going to sue and win big. That administration as well as the parents should be held accountable.


Richmond School Board overturned 92% of principal recommendations to expel students last year

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news...ebruary-6-2023

Of course here in Richmond which holds some of the worst schools in the state…they are extremely dangerous and school board is in favor of not disciplining students…instead letting the trash that shows up (over 20 percent are chronically absent) keeps the schools feel unsafe which recent surveys of teachers and school bodies show.

Only an idiot like you would blame the school for a 6 year old bringing a gun to school ! Tell me chico when do the parents take responsibility for what happen? Where is the out cry for just ignorant parents? No you bitch about the school not stopping a 6 year old from bringing a gun to school to borrow the words of your defender...........you're a jerk.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So got into it with a couple of co-workers over that 14 year old that beat that 9 year old. They want more punishment dished out than I think is appropriate. And of course one raised that the only reason little was done (I dispute this say we don't know all of what was done). What does the board think is appropriate? punishment?
My argument is that age matters (he is still only 14). One of the guys doesn't think age should ever matter (he agreed with example of a separate case of a DA pushing to prosecute an 8 year old as an adult).

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/s...-in-homestead/

13-17 is a tricky age imo about how to properly punish someone for a terrible act/decision. Did that 14-year old have similar actions before? If so, that should factor into the punishment decision.

It's just really sad that things like this happen. Like, what have you experienced or seen before, that made you act like that?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So got into it with a couple of co-workers over that 14 year old that beat that 9 year old. They want more punishment dished out than I think is appropriate. And of course one raised that the only reason little was done (I dispute this say we don't know all of what was done). What does the board think is appropriate? punishment?
My argument is that age matters (he is still only 14). One of the guys doesn't think age should ever matter (he agreed with example of a separate case of a DA pushing to prosecute an 8 year old as an adult).


https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/s...-in-homestead/

I think we have to get out of the mind set of a worthy punishment. Obviously there should be consequences but to what end? Punishment for the sake of punishment just leads to recidivism. There is no current outcome we have in place where this kid comes out of it and has great odds of becoming a solid citizen. IMO we have to develop something that gives these kids an opportunity to learn how to function in a society.

There also needs to be school reform. This is a K-8 school? In what minds in Florida and Miami-Dade think it is appropriate for a 14 year old to be in the same school building as a 5 year old? From a developmental standpoint that is woefully inappropriate.

I don't think it is as easy as saying the adults on the bus should have prevented this. It is too easy for people not in education to think there are simple solutions. We had an incident up here where teens were smoking pot on the bus. The bus driver pulled over and went to back to stop the behavior. Meanwhile students up front opened the door and ran off. The parents of the students that ran off took legal actions against the bus driver for leaving the seat unattended to deal with the pot smokers. It would be great to have additional adults on buses but we don't even have enough bus drivers in the nation let alone people willing to be monitors.

We had an issue in Baltimore City where a group of students left the Edmondson high school campus to go to Popeyes for lunch. This is against school policy. One was fatally shot. People were saying how could the teachers let these students leave campus. What is a teacher supposed to do? You can't prevent a student from leaving. Add more police? They can't do anything. A student will say "fuck you" and walk right past them if a police officer told them to return to class. A police officer can't do anything if they aren't breaking the law. Suspend them? Sure. Then they are out on the streets unattended and we get the same issues. Hold the parents accountable? That only works if the parents have buy in.

I remember when this incident below happened. I was mad at Rikki Spector's response. Looking back at it while this seems intensive I imagine it will save the city dollars in the long run if this could be applied. Hiring people to be mentors and funneling money into counseling and skill development when a young person gets in trouble instead of a detention center and then eventually an adult prison will have a lower life time cost.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/marylan...218-story.html

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I think we have to get out of the mind set of a worthy punishment. Obviously there should be consequences but to what end? Punishment for the sake of punishment just leads to recidivism. There is no current outcome we have in place where this kid comes out of it and has great odds of becoming a solid citizen. IMO we have to develop something that gives these kids an opportunity to learn how to function in a society.

There also needs to be school reform. This is a K-8 school? In what minds in Florida and Miami-Dade think it is appropriate for a 14 year old to be in the same school building as a 5 year old? From a developmental standpoint that is woefully inappropriate.



https://www.baltimoresun.com/marylan...218-story.html

My kid is at a school where you have elementary and middle school in same building, hallways etc

Juvenile Court is about counseling and helping .. there is no guilty finding, there is no punishment. I worked on Juvie cases as a clerk and the courts/staff go way out of their way to help but some kids are just unhelpable