The Common Ground thread

[BaltimoreSkins]

okay yes they kill a few birds every year. I should not deal in absolutes. That is such a weak argument against wind turbines. Domestic cats, glass buildings, domestic oil production from the Bakken oil fields all kill far more birds than wind turbines. It is an absurd and silly argument. Same for whales, seismic surveys for oil and natural gas are far more disruptive. We should be looking for quality solutions to providing long term energy not using false narratives.

If there are benefits to climate change I have not heard them and if there are they certainly do not outweigh the costs.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

okay yes they kill a few birds every year. I should not deal in absolutes. That is such a weak argument against wind turbines. Domestic cats, glass buildings, domestic oil production from the Bakken oil fields all kill far more birds than wind turbines. It is an absurd and silly argument. Same for whales, seismic surveys for oil and natural gas are far more disruptive. We should be looking for quality solutions to providing long term energy not using false narratives.

If there are benefits to climate change I have not heard them and if there are they certainly do not outweigh the costs.

I wasn't arguing the point I just said there are costs and benefits. That said they really do need to pay attention to where they put them - Texas put them in a migratory path for a few bird populations and more than just a few were killed. I have no issue putting them off the NJ coast from what I understand it is low risk there. But the North East are full of nimbys so doubt they will get put there.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

okay yes they kill a few birds every year. I should not deal in absolutes. That is such a weak argument against wind turbines. Domestic cats, glass buildings, domestic oil production from the Bakken oil fields all kill far more birds than wind turbines. It is an absurd and silly argument. Same for whales, seismic surveys for oil and natural gas are far more disruptive. We should be looking for quality solutions to providing long term energy not using false narratives.

If there are benefits to climate change I have not heard them and if there are they certainly do not outweigh the costs.

There are actually very major benefits to climate change or specifically a warming climate (If it was getting colder that would be bad), but yes they probably don't outweigh the costs (yet people can be stupid and make no mistake there are some climate change activists that definitely would implement policies that would outweigh the costs if they could - heck just yesterday a congressman was pushing for a policy (stopping all fossil fuel production) which costs would be far (far!) greater than doing nothing for climate change).

https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...warmer%20world.

[Fishingfool]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

okay yes they kill a few birds every year. I should not deal in absolutes. That is such a weak argument against wind turbines. Domestic cats, glass buildings, domestic oil production from the Bakken oil fields all kill far more birds than wind turbines. It is an absurd and silly argument. Same for whales, seismic surveys for oil and natural gas are far more disruptive. We should be looking for quality solutions to providing long term energy not using false narratives.

If there are benefits to climate change I have not heard them and if there are they certainly do not outweigh the costs.

Few birds millions are killed each year. In Spain alone its estimated the kill between 15 to 18 million.