Skins fans should hope Ramsey starts and does well for the offseason (merged)

[EternalEnigma21]

I didnt read all of the posts because of limited time, but I think the point of the original post was not anti-brunell, but rather pro-brunell. I am a ramsey fan, but a brunell fan as well (at least this year lol) and I would hate like hell for him to get hurt going into the post season. I'm not sure if I could make the decision, and I know none of you are in a position to, but I may rest brunell, because I know that kearse, and the rest of the eagles D will probably be gunning for his legs to take him out... and that limits our options going into the post season (if we make it).

I'm a card player, and I belive what is called "momentum" has alot to do with having more options than your opponent. When you limit options you force someone to play a hand, and if you make a decision to hold a card back you control how your opponent plays, and then you have the ace up your sleeve.

However if brunell is taken away, we're forced into a situation that could be bad for us in the long run, because we lose a mobile QB, then any team playing us can confidently stack the box and blitz both for running and pass russhing, because we have limited options on how to counter that.

[railcon56]

not true what mobile QB has won a a superbowl name even 1? look at brady .....i think u still lose abit with that mobilty....Ramsey can make throws that brunell simply cant make.... in fact his brain wont even let him consider them.... and for ramsey its a flip of the wrist... Name 1 pass over the middle longer than a slant that u have seen him throw in the last 5 weeks.... as high as that TD Ramsey threw was brunell could not have made it... i bet ya moss and the boys want Ramsey throwing that ball to him.... And as good as the offensive line is playing Ramsey would pick them apart .his release looked very crisp sunday.... and picking up on 3rd and 4th receivers...brunell might make 1 good run a game and a flip pass or 2 ..but how many open guys does he miss down field?????? cause he cant make a throw? maybe thats why he throws it away so much.. and Ramsey isnt exactly Lane...

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

not true what mobile QB has won a a superbowl name even 1? look at brady .....i think u still lose abit with that mobilty....Ramsey can make throws that brunell simply cant make.... in fact his brain wont even let him consider them.... and for ramsey its a flip of the wrist... Name 1 pass over the middle longer than a slant that u have seen him throw in the last 5 weeks.... as high as that TD Ramsey threw was brunell could not have made it... i bet ya moss and the boys want Ramsey throwing that ball to him.... And as good as the offensive line is playing Ramsey would pick them apart .his release looked very crisp sunday.... and picking up on 3rd and 4th receivers...brunell might make 1 good run a game and a flip pass or 2 ..but how many open guys does he miss down field?????? cause he cant make a throw? maybe thats why he throws it away so much.. and Ramsey isnt exactly Lane...

I'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to understand the cheerleading for Ramsey after an overthrown pass that Santana was able to pull down and finish with a TD. I think it is strange that many Redskins fans are more concerned with trivializing the QB situation rather than deal with the Eagles and our chances of sweeping another NFC rival. Don't be so quick to replace a QB who lead this team to an immpressive ass whipping of Dallas. Only Brunell could have pulled that off and he did. Just wait and see how fare Brunell can take us.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

I'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to understand the cheerleading for Ramsey after an overthrown pass that Santana was able to pull down and finish with a TD. I think it is strange that many Redskins fans are more concerned with trivializing the QB situation rather than deal with the Eagles and our chances of sweeping another NFC rival. Don't be so quick to replace a QB who lead this team to an immpressive ass whipping of Dallas. Only Brunell could have pulled that off and he did. Just wait and see how fare Brunell can take us.

Beautifully phrased Sunra. Yo Ramsey Homers, coulda', woulda', shoulda', don't win games. I agree Patrick "may" be able to do these things. Brunell IS doing it. I am a REDSKIN fan, not a Brunell fan! I don't put ANY player above what is best for the TEAM. At this time, Brunell is what is best for the team. There is NOT ONE PERSON that has credentials in the NFL that would disagree with that. Why do you?

PS-mobil QB? John Elway, Steve Young, for just a couple

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Beautifully phrased Sunra. Yo Ramsey Homers, coulda', woulda', shoulda', don't win games. I agree Patrick "may" be able to do these things. Brunell IS doing it. I am a REDSKIN fan, not a Brunell fan! I don't put ANY player above what is best for the TEAM. At this time, Brunell is what is best for the team. There is NOT ONE PERSON that has credentials in the NFL that would disagree with that. Why do you?

PS-mobil QB? John Elway, Steve Young, for just a couple

Hog, I would like to add to that list of mobile QBs, Terry Bradshaw himself.
And does anyone remember Kenny "The Snake" (the original snake!) Stabler?

Oh, you might want to add our own beloved Joey T. to that list too!!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

not true what mobile QB has won a a superbowl name even 1? look at brady .....i think u still lose abit with that mobilty....Ramsey can make throws that brunell simply cant make.... in fact his brain wont even let him consider them.... and for ramsey its a flip of the wrist... Name 1 pass over the middle longer than a slant that u have seen him throw in the last 5 weeks.... as high as that TD Ramsey threw was brunell could not have made it... i bet ya moss and the boys want Ramsey throwing that ball to him.... And as good as the offensive line is playing Ramsey would pick them apart .his release looked very crisp sunday.... and picking up on 3rd and 4th receivers...brunell might make 1 good run a game and a flip pass or 2 ..but how many open guys does he miss down field?????? cause he cant make a throw? maybe thats why he throws it away so much.. and Ramsey isnt exactly Lane...

Agreed!

The problem is whoever Gibbs deciedes to play the other QB is a waste, if Ramsey comes out and light's the world on fire it will be because he watched Brunell all season, not that he had the ability all along.


I also have to laugh at everyone hoping he really shines on sunday so we can trade him in the offseason, I don't get it? So if the guy proves he's a #1 QB we should trade him? Brunell will be another year older, which puts us 1 hit away from Campbell, whom we all know Gibbs doesn't like young QB's, when we have Ramsey at a very reasonable price for next season, I hope he doesn't go anywhere, but he may really force Gibbs hand, and I could see that happening after the season is over. I really don't know after what happened in the first game that theres a promise that Gibbs could make to keep Ramsey on board. Unfortunatly!


Personally I think when it's all said and done we will be in a similar situation to the chargers, Ramsey will win the job, and we will be shopping Campbell.

And we will have to pay threw the nose to keep Ramsey.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by offiss

Agreed!

The problem is whoever Gibbs deciedes to play the other QB is a waste, if Ramsey comes out and light's the world on fire it will be because he watched Brunell all season, not that he had the ability all along.


I also have to laugh at everyone hoping he really shines on sunday so we can trade him in the offseason, I don't get it? So if the guy proves he's a #1 QB we should trade him? Brunell will be another year older, which puts us 1 hit away from Campbell, whom we all know Gibbs doesn't like young QB's, when we have Ramsey at a very reasonable price for next season, I hope he doesn't go anywhere, but he may really force Gibbs hand, and I could see that happening after the season is over. I really don't know after what happened in the first game that theres a promise that Gibbs could make to keep Ramsey on board. Unfortunatly!


Personally I think when it's all said and done we will be in a similar situation to the chargers, Ramsey will win the job, and we will be shopping Campbell.

And we will have to pay threw the nose to keep Ramsey.

I would love to see where he would be right now if he would have had the chance to grow all season with this team...brunell has has all year and he has steadily declined.....

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

I would love to see where he would be right now if he would have had the chance to grow all season with this team...brunell has has all year and he has steadily declined.....

????? How has Brunell steadily declined?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

????? How has Brunell steadily declined?

I keep hearing this from some people, but the numbers simply don't support it.

I'd love to hear a solid argument for once instead of someone using their gut feeling as a basis for fact.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I keep hearing this from some people, but the numbers simply don't support it.

I'd love to hear a solid argument for once instead of someone using their gut feeling as a basis for fact.

There's a novel idea!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

not true what mobile QB has won a a superbowl name even 1?

Steve Young.

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcase.net

look at brady .....i think u still lose abit with that mobilty....Ramsey can make throws that brunell simply cant make.... in fact his brain wont even let him consider them.... and for ramsey its a flip of the wrist... Name 1 pass over the middle longer than a slant that u have seen him throw in the last 5 weeks.... as high as that TD Ramsey threw was brunell could not have made it... i bet ya moss and the boys want Ramsey throwing that ball to him.... And as good as the offensive line is playing Ramsey would pick them apart .his release looked very crisp sunday.... and picking up on 3rd and 4th receivers...brunell might make 1 good run a game and a flip pass or 2 ..but how many open guys does he miss down field?????? cause he cant make a throw? maybe thats why he throws it away so much.. and Ramsey isnt exactly Lane...

Oh come on off of it Railcon. Like I've said before, you can't base a quarterback soley on his arm strength. You're making Ramsey out to be like he's Joe Montana and that he's never thrown an incomplete pass in his entire life. The fact of the matter is, Brunell has lead this team very nicely this year...and has helped to put us in a situation of being in the playoffs. Brunell makes better decisions than Patrick Ramsey at this point. That might change in the near future, but until that is fact, you go with Mark Brunell.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Steve Young.



Brunell makes better decisions than Patrick Ramsey at this point. That might change in the near future, but until that is fact, you go with Mark Brunell.

I'll give you Steve Young....

But how do you know he's making better decisions .when he hasent even played.... and the little bit he did play his arm looked strong .. and quick.....maybe leading the nfl in throwing the ball away and fumbling is a better decision....???? or maybe that wonderfully thrown TD last sat the the Giants Linebacker was a great decision.....

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

I'll give you Steve Young....

But how do you know he's making better decisions .when he havent even played.... and the little bit he did play his arm looked strong .. and quick.....maybe leading the nfl in throwing the ball away and fumbling is a better decision....???? or maybe that wonderfully thrown TD last sat the the Giants Linebacker was a great decision.....

Or maybe the scramble for a first down, or the last minute shovel pass to Robert Royal for a first down, or the playaction pass to Moss for a TD, or the screen pass to Moss for a TD, etc......You can harp all you want, but would've could've should've doesn't win you games.

I'm not putting one player above the team like you're obviously doing. If Ramsey comes in and plays I'll root for him. I'm a Redskins fan first. Period. I root for this team....I'm not going to sit here and pick a player apart...ESPECIALLY since we're winning and having a great shot a making the playoffs and even winning the division.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

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I'm not putting one player above the team like you're obviously doing. If Ramsey comes in and plays I'll root for him. I'm a Redskins fan first. Period. I root for this team....I'm not going to sit here and pick a player apart...ESPECIALLY since we're winning and having a great shot a making the playoffs and even winning the division.

maybe you missed my post about brunell u should read it before u say i'm obviously putting him above the team....



here is what i posted
Re: Skins fans should hope Ramsey starts and does well for the offseason (merged)
But look if Mark does play i more than hope he has an All WORLD DAY!!!! I just personally think Ramsey is a better QB...but 1st of all I want the Skins to beat the eagles sweep.... we have nothing but eagles fans and dallas fans at work ..(I live in PA) i already have my broom redy right by the door.... and i am gonna be the biggest asshole to those fans like they were to me for so many years...
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[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

maybe you missed my post about brunell u should read it before u say i'm obviously putting him above the team....



here is what i posted
Re: Skins fans should hope Ramsey starts and does well for the offseason (merged)
But look if Mark does play i more than hope he has an All WORLD DAY!!!! I just personally think Ramsey is a better QB...but 1st of all I want the Skins to beat the eagles sweep.... we have nothing but eagles fans and dallas fans at work ..(I live in PA) i already have my broom redy right by the door.... and i am gonna be the biggest asshole to those fans like they were to me for so many years...
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So why continue to harp on Mark Brunell then? If you think Ramsey is the better quarterback (although right now I've seen nothing to suggest such...) then that's your opinion. But, why can't you support Brunell as the current starter instead of picking him apart? What is it about Mark Brunell that you dislike?