Lavar says he was misquoted - he wants to remain a redskin for his entire career

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

While I agree that this isn't a problem exclusive to the Redskins, it is generally more of a noticable problem to poorly run organizations. The way this team is run is exactly the reason why Champ wanted out, and why Smoot and Pierce left over money issues of less than half a million dollars. If they had truly wanted to be here, 300k or 400k wouldn't have mattered.

I do think this was a bad time for these comments to be made public, but I don't have a problem with him feeling the way he does about this organization.

Champ I agree, he was frustrated with the constant turnover and he wanted out regardless of money.

Smoot and Pierce both stated they wanted to be here, and both were considered by Gibbs to be core guys.

Pierce especially gave the impression that he really did not want to leave, but in the end he left over a deal that gave him more up front money. I think it was more of a difference than just a few hundred thousand because of the way the contract was structured.

Smoot and Pierce both left over money, not the direction the team was going in.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Pierce especially gave the impression that he really did not want to leave, but in the end he left over a deal that gave him more up front money. I think it was more of a difference than just a few hundred thousand because of the way the contract was structured.

Smoot and Pierce both left over money, not the direction the team was going in.

I can buy that it had to do with the structure of the contract, but the way Snyder does contracts is also a reflection on the organization. He backloads a contract, and puts the bulk of the money in the last two or three years, and cuts the player before they get to those years of the contract(which is about to happen to LaVar). If I were Antonio Pierce, and the Giants offered me the same contract, but the bulk of the money was up front, I'd laugh in Snyders face too.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I can buy that it had to do with the structure of the contract, but the way Snyder does contracts is also a reflection on the organization. He backloads a contract, and puts the bulk of the money in the last two or three years, and cuts the player before they get to those years of the contract(which is about to happen to LaVar). If I were Antonio Pierce, and the Giants offered me the same contract, but the bulk of the money was up front, I'd laugh in Snyders face too.

Snyder and just about everyone in the league structures contracts that way. That isn't anything new.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Champ I agree, he was frustrated with the constant turnover and he wanted out regardless of money.

Smoot and Pierce both stated they wanted to be here, and both were considered by Gibbs to be core guys.

Pierce especially gave the impression that he really did not want to leave, but in the end he left over a deal that gave him more up front money. I think it was more of a difference than just a few hundred thousand because of the way the contract was structured.

Smoot and Pierce both left over money, not the direction the team was going in.

I dont know if having me agree with you is good or not, because I get crapped on most of time. But I have been saying this for a long time. the way this organization has handled people in the past and handles people is why we are in the shape we are now. Granted, it is getting better, alot better. But to have people leave who you have labled as core guys because of a few dollars says things about the organization. Dan Snyder and Co. have been crapping on people, not just players. Coaches, which is why players leave. Champ left because of the constant player and coach turn over, no money. Smoot and Pierce both say they gave us every chance to sign them, which is crap. If they wanted to be here, they would be. We offerred them contracts very similar to what they signed and they left. LaVar is in the same boat. He is being dumped on big time. He has been the face of the organization for 5 years, and because he speaks out about a contract or playing time, he is going to be dumped. Just like Brian Mitchell was years ago. Our return game has never been the same. Brad Johnson another player crapped on by the organization. He goes to the probowl, throws for 3K plus yards, and Danny boy, not the coach, benches him. Its a revolving door of players and coaches, always has been since Dan has taken over. Like I said earlier, before I get blasted, Joe and Co. seem to have stopped some of the bleeding. But we are again going to be faced with people leaving in the offseason, and having to fill gaps with free agency because of lack of draft picks.

[SanFranSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I dont know if having me agree with you is good or not, because I get crapped on most of time. But I have been saying this for a long time. the way this organization has handled people in the past and handles people is why we are in the shape we are now. Granted, it is getting better, alot better. But to have people leave who you have labled as core guys because of a few dollars says things about the organization. Dan Snyder and Co. have been crapping on people, not just players. Coaches, which is why players leave. Champ left because of the constant player and coach turn over, no money. Smoot and Pierce both say they gave us every chance to sign them, which is crap. If they wanted to be here, they would be. We offerred them contracts very similar to what they signed and they left. LaVar is in the same boat. He is being dumped on big time. He has been the face of the organization for 5 years, and because he speaks out about a contract or playing time, he is going to be dumped. Just like Brian Mitchell was years ago. Our return game has never been the same. Brad Johnson another player crapped on by the organization. He goes to the probowl, throws for 3K plus yards, and Danny boy, not the coach, benches him. Its a revolving door of players and coaches, always has been since Dan has taken over. Like I said earlier, before I get blasted, Joe and Co. seem to have stopped some of the bleeding. But we are again going to be faced with people leaving in the offseason, and having to fill gaps with free agency because of lack of draft picks.

All true, but you have to give Snyder credit for getting Gibbs back and Gibbs wanted to work under him. If we are back in the playoffs in his second year, that's pretty good for a team that's been so problematic since Snyder came over.....but Gibbs is back (I know we could have hired Marvin Lewis instead of Spurrier, but we won't go there).....Gibbs has more rings.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I dont know if having me agree with you is good or not, because I get crapped on most of time. But I have been saying this for a long time. the way this organization has handled people in the past and handles people is why we are in the shape we are now. Granted, it is getting better, alot better. But to have people leave who you have labled as core guys because of a few dollars says things about the organization. Dan Snyder and Co. have been crapping on people, not just players. Coaches, which is why players leave. Champ left because of the constant player and coach turn over, no money. Smoot and Pierce both say they gave us every chance to sign them, which is crap. If they wanted to be here, they would be. We offerred them contracts very similar to what they signed and they left. LaVar is in the same boat. He is being dumped on big time. He has been the face of the organization for 5 years, and because he speaks out about a contract or playing time, he is going to be dumped. Just like Brian Mitchell was years ago. Our return game has never been the same. Brad Johnson another player crapped on by the organization. He goes to the probowl, throws for 3K plus yards, and Danny boy, not the coach, benches him. Its a revolving door of players and coaches, always has been since Dan has taken over. Like I said earlier, before I get blasted, Joe and Co. seem to have stopped some of the bleeding. But we are again going to be faced with people leaving in the offseason, and having to fill gaps with free agency because of lack of draft picks.

Despite the horrible way this franchise is run, we're 9-6 and about to clinch a playoff spot.

Amazing. How did this team manage to do that in spite of our horrible owner?? It boggles my mind.

Before you jump all over me I see you prefaced your argument by adding that "Joe seems to have stopped the bleeding".

Well damn, if this is what stopping the bleeding is all about, I sure am all for it!!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Despite the horrible way this franchise is run, we're 9-6 and about to clinch a playoff spot.

Amazing. How did this team manage to do that in spite of our horrible owner?? It boggles my mind.

Before you jump all over me I see you prefaced your argument by adding that "Joe seems to have stopped the bleeding".

Well damn, if this is what stopping the bleeding is all about, I sure am all for it!!

Again.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Again.

Again what?

You post and someone responds, amazing concept this message board stuff, huh?