Lavar says he was misquoted - he wants to remain a redskin for his entire career

[MTK]

Poor, poor LaVar. How will the team win without him?

Oh, that's right, they already have.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Poor, poor LaVar. How will the team win without him?

Oh, that's right, they already have.

Exactly!!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Poor, poor LaVar. How will the team win without him?

Oh, that's right, they already have.

My problem is Danny has alienated so many players around the league that he is affecting our reputation among not only league observers, but potential future Redskins. Danny first alienated Brian Mitchell, then Stephen Davis, then Champ Bailey, then Laveranues Coles, and now LaVar Arrington. Exactly how many great Redskins does Danny plan on pissing on?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

My problem is Danny has alienated so many players around the league that he is affecting our reputation among not only league observers, but potential future Redskins. Danny first alienated Brian Mitchell, then Stephen Davis, then Champ Bailey, then Laveranues Coles, and now LaVar Arrington. Exactly how many great Redskins does Danny plan on pissing on?

Granted Snyder isn't totally innocent and he's definitely made his share of mistakes, but at the same time some of those guys you mentioned aren't innocent victims either.

Mitchell has since reconciled with the team.

Davis' departure was more due to a new system in which he didn't fit in, plus his monster contract was a factor. I don't recall Snyder having a falling out with him though.

Champ wanted out no matter what due to the constant coaching turnover, yes Snyder is partly to blame there but I don't think Snyder "pissed" on him personally in any way.

The Coles situation definitely could have been handled better by Snyder, but again I'm not going to give Coles a free pass.

As for Arrington... again he's not an innocent victim.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Poor, poor LaVar. How will the team win without him?

Oh, that's right, they already have.

That wasn't really the point of the Post article or what anyone else was saying here.

Yes, the Redskins won without him, no disputing that. But they won in spite of treating him poorly.

Contrary to what alot of rabid football fans think, winning isn't everything. Winning at the expensive of a long line of disenfranchised, pissed off players who now have an axe to grind is a pretty poor commentary on the management of this franchise. It's not an isolated person here or there, it's one guy after another leaving this city and hating us. Why do we keep tossing valuable players aside like trash? It sure hasn't gotten us much so far.

Chalk it up to free agency or "that's how business works" or whatever you want, but there seems to be an unusually high number of situations like this with the Redskins.

I'll say it again, yes the team is more important than the man. But does that justify treating one man after another like dirt?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mheisig

That wasn't really the point of the Post article or what anyone else was saying here.

Yes, the Redskins won without him, no disputing that. But they won in spite of treating him poorly.

Contrary to what alot of rabid football fans think, winning isn't everything. Winning at the expensive of a long line of disenfranchised, pissed off players who now have an axe to grind is a pretty poor commentary on the management of this franchise. It's not an isolated person here or there, it's one guy after another leaving this city and hating us. Why do we keep tossing valuable players aside like trash? It sure hasn't gotten us much so far.

Chalk it up to free agency or "that's how business works" or whatever you want, but there seems to be an unusually high number of situations like this with the Redskins.

I'll say it again, yes the team is more important than the man. But does that justify treating one man after another like dirt?

I don't think its a Skins thing its every team in the NFL that have the same issues. One thing for sure is that when they leave they have enough money to buy all the axe's they want.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't think its a Skins thing its every team in the NFL that have the same issues. One thing for sure is that when they leave they have enough money to buy all the axe's they want.

I'm not so sure it's a universal NFL thing. Granted it's impossible to come up with data on which team has the most disgruntled ex-players, but you watch enough Sportscenter or NFL network for a few years and the Skins seem to stand out. You don't hear about alot of people getting crapped on by the Patriots or Colts or whoever else and being bitter against those teams for the remainder of their career.

I don't know what the reason is, but this team has a real penchant for kicking people out the door in an incredibly foul mood.

Certainly doesn't win us any reputation points, and more importantly it sure hasn't done much for the team over the past decade or so.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I'm not so sure it's a universal NFL thing. Granted it's impossible to come up with data on which team has the most disgruntled ex-players, but you watch enough Sportscenter or NFL network for a few years and the Skins seem to stand out. You don't hear about alot of people getting crapped on by the Patriots or Colts or whoever else and being bitter against those teams for the remainder of their career.

I don't know what the reason is, but this team has a real penchant for kicking people out the door in an incredibly foul mood.

Certainly doesn't win us any reputation points, and more importantly it sure hasn't done much for the team over the past decade or so.

I am honestly struggling to come up with a player besides Coles who left this team in disgust based on how the FO treated them. Guys come and go in this league and they often get upset when coaches decide they aren't worth keeping anymore. But that's no the FO's fault. That's not unique to the Skins.
I would propose that maybe the negative pub that the Skins get in this regard has something to do with the overall negativity towards the Skisn by the media? I think that has an awful lot to do with it.
A great example the other way is the situation with Ty Law in NE. I don't remember a great outpouring of negativity for Belichek when he up and dumped Law like the Skins have done to some other notable players. But the Skins do it and they get the negative pub. Fair and balanced? Hardly.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am honestly struggling to come up with a player besides Coles who left this team in disgust based on how the FO treated them. Guys come and go in this league and they often get upset when coaches decide they aren't worth keeping anymore. But that's no the FO's fault. That's not unique to the Skins.
I would propose that maybe the negative pub that the Skins get in this regard has something to do with the overall negativity towards the Skisn by the media? I think that has an awful lot to do with it.
A great example the other way is the situation with Ty Law in NE. I don't remember a great outpouring of negativity for Belichek when he up and dumped Law like the Skins have done to some other notable players. But the Skins do it and they get the negative pub. Fair and balanced? Hardly.

I think the reason they get it is because of the constant overhaul of the roster, constant coaching changes. If this was just one player hear or there, they probably wouldn't have they negativety. I dont know, but that is one thought.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

That wasn't really the point of the Post article or what anyone else was saying here.

Yes, the Redskins won without him, no disputing that. But they won in spite of treating him poorly.

Contrary to what alot of rabid football fans think, winning isn't everything. Winning at the expensive of a long line of disenfranchised, pissed off players who now have an axe to grind is a pretty poor commentary on the management of this franchise. It's not an isolated person here or there, it's one guy after another leaving this city and hating us. Why do we keep tossing valuable players aside like trash? It sure hasn't gotten us much so far.

Chalk it up to free agency or "that's how business works" or whatever you want, but there seems to be an unusually high number of situations like this with the Redskins.

I'll say it again, yes the team is more important than the man. But does that justify treating one man after another like dirt?

I guess that's debateable. It's LaVar's word (usually an emotional one at that) vs. the team, which to this point has handled things on a very low key basis with him.

This the usual MO with LaVar.

Something happens to upset him, somehow he ends up talking to the media to vent and and/or gripe, and then Gibbs and/or Williams end up having to address the situation, rather than keeping things in house as I'm sure they would prefer.

LaVar's off the field issues this year has by far outshadowed what he's done on the field, and it's not the team that keeps this going in the media, it's LaVar. And ultimately, I think that's the key reason he won't be back next year.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by mheisig

That wasn't really the point of the Post article or what anyone else was saying here.

Yes, the Redskins won without him, no disputing that. But they won in spite of treating him poorly.

Contrary to what alot of rabid football fans think, winning isn't everything. Winning at the expensive of a long line of disenfranchised, pissed off players who now have an axe to grind is a pretty poor commentary on the management of this franchise. It's not an isolated person here or there, it's one guy after another leaving this city and hating us. Why do we keep tossing valuable players aside like trash? It sure hasn't gotten us much so far.

Chalk it up to free agency or "that's how business works" or whatever you want, but there seems to be an unusually high number of situations like this with the Redskins.

I'll say it again, yes the team is more important than the man. But does that justify treating one man after another like dirt?

You said it all. Us as fans are fans of the Redskins. But after a while we are fans of the uniforms not the players or personalities behind those uniforms. that is the sad part of the organization. People like Mitchell, Steven Davis, champ, smoot , and now LaVar are players we watched in college, watched get drafted by our team. I know you cant keep everyone around that you want, but when good organizations treat their players with dignity and respect alot of those players will stay regardless of the money. New England has players acception less cash to play for them, eagles too. These organizations dont alienate the players or the fans. This is the salary cap business you can love or hate. But when we get attached to certain players because the organization shoves down your throat year end and year out, then all of the sudden turn their backs on them it makes you wonder how important us fans and the city is. I love the Redskins and always will. It just pains me to see us year in and year out throw not only good players but fan favorites and good character guys off the field, out like a pile of garbage.

[skins052bgr8]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You said it all. Us as fans are fans of the Redskins. But after a while we are fans of the uniforms not the players or personalities behind those uniforms. that is the sad part of the organization. People like Mitchell, Steven Davis, champ, smoot , and now LaVar are players we watched in college, watched get drafted by our team. I know you cant keep everyone around that you want, but when good organizations treat their players with dignity and respect alot of those players will stay regardless of the money. New England has players acception less cash to play for them, eagles too. These organizations dont alienate the players or the fans. This is the salary cap business you can love or hate. But when we get attached to certain players because the organization shoves down your throat year end and year out, then all of the sudden turn their backs on them it makes you wonder how important us fans and the city is. I love the Redskins and always will. It just pains me to see us year in and year out throw not only good players but fan favorites and good character guys off the field, out like a pile of garbage.

And those same teams have exceptions and issues where players leave on bad terms, Jerimiah Trotter furious because he wanted more money and the way they handled him before he came to the skins, the eagles players disagreeing with the way they handled TO so if you look at that can you really say what a player overheard in the locker room being a little to much on Lavar from Lindsey being bias, Lowyer Milloy for the patriots, Ty Law for the Patriots when it becomes more about the money and the individual teams and players part on bad terms it is not just the Redskins these are only two incidents, but Corey Simon with the Eagles. Players who were considered contributors and years of play with the respective teams gone because you have to manage as a team and not for individuals. Do you think Kearse was a fan favorite in Tennesee, damn those titans just letting big name players go, must be the management did not care about him and treated him wrong. Your heart is what you watch everyday and Lavar has been loved by fans for his play, but he needs to understand they don't operate around an individual, but it does go on all the time. I am sure when these players left these teams respective forums just erupted with pissed off fans. Some of his arguements are just pathetic some people around here are mad when they see all my Jersey's in the stand sounds like something Gibbs and staff would be pissed about.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by skins052bgr8

And those same teams have exceptions and issues where players leave on bad terms, Jerimiah Trotter furious because he wanted more money and the way they handled him before he came to the skins, the eagles players disagreeing with the way they handled TO so if you look at that can you really say what a player overheard in the locker room being a little to much on Lavar from Lindsey being bias, Lowyer Milloy for the patriots, Ty Law for the Patriots when it becomes more about the money and the individual teams and players part on bad terms it is not just the Redskins these are only two incidents, but Corey Simon with the Eagles. Players who were considered contributors and years of play with the respective teams gone because you have to manage as a team and not for individuals. Do you think Kearse was a fan favorite in Tennesee, damn those titans just letting big name players go, must be the management did not care about him and treated him wrong. Your heart is what you watch everyday and Lavar has been loved by fans for his play, but he needs to understand they don't operate around an individual, but it does go on all the time. I am sure when these players left these teams respective forums just erupted with pissed off fans. Some of his arguements are just pathetic some people around here are mad when they see all my Jersey's in the stand sounds like something Gibbs and staff would be pissed about.

Good Points, however Trotter begged to be back in philly. Law was not resigned because he was aging and wanted Champ Money a year or two into a long term deal, like the TO debacle. Kearse was a free agent and Titans didn't have a $1.50 to sign him. dont remember the Milloy thing, or Simon thing so cant speak on that.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Good Points, however Trotter begged to be back in philly. Law was not resigned because he was aging and wanted Champ Money a year or two into a long term deal, like the TO debacle. Kearse was a free agent and Titans didn't have a $1.50 to sign him. dont remember the Milloy thing, or Simon thing so cant speak on that.

So it's ok to dump some guys but not the ones you like? That's rationalization my friend. That is really what it sounds like.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

So it's ok to dump some guys but not the ones you like? That's rationalization my friend. That is really what it sounds like.

I dont know what you are talking about. Trotter tried to get more money, got it in washington, got cut, then realized what he had in Philly and begged to go back, took alot less money, two years in a row in fact. I didn't say its ok to drop players I dont like, I just stated the facts regarding a few you mentioned. Tell me this, If Springs came to you and said (at age 31 mind you) 2 years into his deal that paid him 10 mil up front, I want a new deal or I am holding out and wanted 15 to 20 mil up front. what would you do? Pay an aging player that much money or cut your ties? Same w/ Milloy, not really sure how old he is but not a spring chicken. Kearse was a free agent and the Titans didn't have the money Philly had to offer him. So , I dont get your point about dropping guys I dont like being ok. i didn't think letting Cory Simon go by Philly was a good move, look what the guy has done in Indy, made the run D pretty damn good.