The Sam Howell Thread

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So far this season with 5 games left :

Sam Howell's stats

3466 Yards passing
18 Tds
14 INTS

243 Yards rushing
5 TDs
5 Fumbles (2 lost)

66 Passing grade (Mid tier)

I think the next 5 weeks are huge for Sam, if he finishes the season on the top 5 of passing yards and has clsoe to 30 total TDs, it will be hard to just toss him to the curb next yr

AGAIN, we need to get away from total yards its fools gold

In QBR he ranks 21st in the league

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

You definitely keep him no matter what he does in the next 5 games; at best he is your guy for the next decade at worst he is a very serviceable back up on the cheap.

The REAL question is: Is he good enough that you pass on a QB in a draft heavy on QB talent and your team has multiply draft picks some of which are very high?

My answer from what I have seen so far from SH; is if you got a guy in this years draft you want you go get him. Then its up to SH to beat that dude out for QB1.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mredskins

AGAIN, we need to get away from total yards its fools gold

In QBR he ranks 21st in the league

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

You definitely keep him no matter what he does in the next 5 games; at best he is your guy for the next decade at worst he is a very serviceable back up on the cheap.

The REAL question is: Is he good enough that you pass on a QB in a draft heavy on QB talent and your team has multiply draft picks some of which are very high?

My answer from what I have seen so far from SH; is if you got a guy in this years draft you want you go get him. Then its up to SH to beat that dude out for QB1.

Yeah no doubt, the real Q is can SH lead this team to the playoffs? Even with an OL.. Nobody knows yet

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

AGAIN, we need to get away from total yards its fools gold

In QBR he ranks 21st in the league

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

You definitely keep him no matter what he does in the next 5 games; at best he is your guy for the next decade at worst he is a very serviceable back up on the cheap.

The REAL question is: Is he good enough that you pass on a QB in a draft heavy on QB talent and your team has multiply draft picks some of which are very high?

My answer from what I have seen so far from SH; is if you got a guy in this years draft you want you go get him. Then its up to SH to beat that dude out for QB1.

I know yards isn’t everything but fools gold is probably not it either. Look at the other 10 quarterbacks leading in yards.

1

C.J. Stroud
HOU
2

S. Howell
WSH
3

T. Tagovailoa
MIA
4

J. Goff
DET
5

D. Prescott
DAL
6

J. Allen
BUF
7

B. Purdy
SF
8

P. Mahomes
KC
9

J. Herbert
LAC
10

T. Lawrence
JAX
11

J. Hurts
PHI

Basically the who’s who of nfl quarterbacks. Gotta be something to it.

Two different OC’s both of whom hinder not help. Arguably the worst Oline. No great wr. No run game. A clown HC.

The pick sixes are him pressing and knowing down by 30 he needs to score quickly. I think it would be a mistake not to build around him for this coming year and see what he is capable of with all those things he is lacking. A really big mistake.

Help me out SF. Lol

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I know yards isn’t everything but fools gold is probably not it either. Look at the other 10 quarterbacks leading in yards.

1

C.J. Stroud
HOU
2

S. Howell
WSH
3

T. Tagovailoa
MIA
4

J. Goff
DET
5

D. Prescott
DAL
6

J. Allen
BUF
7

B. Purdy
SF
8

P. Mahomes
KC
9

J. Herbert
LAC
10

T. Lawrence
JAX
11

J. Hurts
PHI

Basically the who’s who of nfl quarterbacks. Gotta be something to it.

Two different OC’s both of whom hinder not help. Arguably the worst Oline. No great wr. No run game. A clown HC.

The pick sixes are him pressing and knowing down by 30 he needs to score quickly. I think it would be a mistake not to build around him for this coming year and see what he is capable of with all those things he is lacking. A really big mistake.

Help me out SF. Lol

Also in that list each QB not named Sam is in the top half of the QBR rating, also each QB on that list team is .500 or above battling for a playoff spot

You know what you call Sam in statistics? A Outlier

Here is another way to look at it. Lets say everyone on that list is a distance runner and everyone ran a ton miles; top guy had 100 miles the lowest guy lets say 89 miles over a period of time, Sam had 99 miles. Consider the miles ran yards thrown. Now in that same list the average pace was 7 minutes per mile expect for one of the distance runners his pace was 16 minutes per mile and his name was Sam. Consider the pace the QBR.

Does that paint a better picture of why the total yards is fools gold?

Sam only has a ton of yards because:
1. We are always behind and trying to catch up
2. He plays in a lot of garbage time minutes
3. His OC is a idiot and can't game plan a balanced attack

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Also in that list each QB not named Sam is in the top half of the QBR rating, also each QB on that list team is .500 or above battling for a playoff spot

You know what you call Sam in statistics? A Outlier

Here is another way to look at it. Lets say everyone on that list is a distance runner and everyone ran a ton miles; top guy had 100 miles the lowest guy lets say 89 miles over a period of time, Sam had 99 miles. Consider the miles ran yards thrown. Now in that same list the average pace was 7 minutes per mile expect for one of the distance runners his pace was 16 minutes per mile and his name was Sam. Consider the pace the QBR.

Does that paint a better picture of why the total yards is fools gold?

Sam only has a ton of yards because:
1. We are always behind and trying to catch up
2. He plays in a lot of garbage time minutes
3. His OC is a idiot and can't game plan a balanced attack

None of those other quarterbacks play behind the worst line in football, have no top tier wr, have no running game, have an idiot HC, have learned two offenses in two years, and have zero home field advantage. Some might check a couple of those boxes but only Sam checks them all.

[SFREDSKIN]

The best thing this team can do and whoever will be in charge. Trade down our 1st rounder to accumulate more picks, draft 2 Tackles and OG, DE, LB, TE, CB’s, build around Howell.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The best thing this team can do and whoever will be in charge. Trade down our 1st rounder to accumulate more picks, draft 2 Tackles and OG, DE, LB, TE, CB’s, build around Howell.

I understand the thinking, but if we have the 4th pick, we should take a cornerstone LT. This franchise definitely lost it's way, and when Trent Williams left I think that was truly the start of the end of DS. Now bring in a guy that can protect Sam ( or whoever) for the next 10-15 years

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The best thing this team can do and whoever will be in charge. Trade down our 1st rounder to accumulate more picks, draft 2 Tackles and OG, DE, LB, TE, CB’s, build around Howell.

I agree with everything except the trade down. We have 9 picks and lots of dollars to spend. We need a fucking difference maker though. A cornerstone, all pro LT like CRed said. It is paramount.

We can address all those things you mentioned, which are exactly what we need, without trading down.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I agree with everything except the trade down. We have 9 picks and lots of dollars to spend. We need a fucking difference maker though. A cornerstone, all pro LT like CRed said. It is paramount.

We can address all those things you mentioned, which are exactly what we need, without trading down.

I don’t think you would have to trade down that far and still get a stud LT. With Penix and Nix there, someone will be desperate to make a move enough to prison rape their ass.

Olumuyiwa Fashanu, Penn State. LT | 6'6" | 310 lbs | 4th Year. ...
Joe Alt, Notre Dame. LT | 6'8" | 315 lbs | 3rd Year. ...
Taliese Fuaga, Oregon State. RT | 6'6" | 335 lbs | 4th Year. ...
JC Latham, Alabama. RT | 6'6" | 335 lbs | 3rd Year. ...
Kingsley Suamataia, BYU. RT | 6'6" | 315 lbs | 3rd Year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The best thing this team can do and whoever will be in charge. Trade down our 1st rounder to accumulate more picks, draft 2 Tackles and OG, DE, LB, TE, CB’s, build around Howell.

The best thing they can do for the organization is draft the best player wherever they pick in the 1st round, regardless of position.

I'm still pro Sam but if they think a QB has a higher ceiling then you can not pass on him.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The best thing they can do for the organization is draft the best player wherever they pick in the 1st round, regardless of position.

I'm still pro Sam but if they think a QB has a higher ceiling then you can not pass on him.

Alt is the best player......