2024 Early Bird Draft Thread

[Darrell Green Fan]

I will admit to a bias. These super mobile QBs have been around since Randall Cunningham, over the last decade we've seen a ton of them and some on good teams. But only one (Hurts) even made it to the Super Bowl.

As I watched the first quarter of the Ravens/Chiefs I told myself I have to get with the times and accept this type of QB as the future. An 8 yard run on 3rd and 6 is just as good as an 8 yard pass into tight coverage.

But then I see Lamar crap the bed in the playoffs. Again. And I'm right back where I've always been, preferring a pocket QB

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I will admit to a bias. These super mobile QBs have been around since Randall Cunningham, over the last decade we've seen a ton of them and some on good teams. But only one (Hurts) even made it to the Super Bowl.

As I watched the first quarter of the Ravens/Chiefs I told myself I have to get with the times and accept this type of QB as the future. An 8 yard run on 3rd and 6 is just as good as an 8 yard pass into tight coverage.

But then I see Lamar crap the bed in the playoffs. Again. And I'm right back where I've always been, preferring a pocket QB

Not sure I agree with your assessment. There have been a few mobile QB's in the Super Bowl era that have taken or even won a Super bowl, not many I agree but a few.

Tarkington

Staubach

Young

Elway , all were at their time considerd running / moble QB's then there was a newer version...........

Kaepernick

Newton
maybe even.

R. Wilson

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Not sure I agree with your assessment. There have been a few mobile QB's in the Super Bowl era that have taken or even won a Super bowl, not many I agree but a few.

Tarkington

Staubach

Young

Elway , all were at their time considerd running / moble QB's then there was a newer version...........

Kaepernick

Newton
maybe even.

R. Wilson

Thanks for the correction, I meant to go with win a SB but when I changed it to appearances I omitted Cam and Kap. Wilson should be on the list as well. I am not considering Elway, Young Staubach etc because they were pass first QBs who had the ability to run but didn't do it that often.

So we are still left with Wilson as the only super mobile QB who has won a title.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

Thanks for the correction, I meant to go with win a SB but when I changed it to appearances I omitted Cam and Kap. Wilson should be on the list as well. I am not considering Elway, Young Staubach etc because they were pass first QBs who had the ability to run but didn't do it that often.

So we are still left with Wilson as the only super mobile QB who has won a title.

I wouldn't so easily dismiss Young or Elway as not running very often. 4329 and 3407 respectively, both with a very good average YPC. Given their era where passers were pretty much purely pocket passers, those aren't casual numbers. They'd be closer too Mahomes (mobile) than Jackson (running), but having watched them play, I'd put them on the scale closer to Jackson than Mahomes.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I wouldn't so easily dismiss Young or Elway as not running very often. 4329 and 3407 respectively, both with a very good average YPC. Given their era where passers were pretty much purely pocket passers, those aren't casual numbers. They'd be closer too Mahomes (mobile) than Jackson (running), but having watched them play, I'd put them on the scale closer to Jackson than Mahomes.

Yeah but we are talking about 2 of the elite passers of our lifetime and that's what made them all time greats. Young averaged 25 rushing yards a game, Elway 14. So I can't put them in the same group as Lamar, Kyler, Vick etc. because they were different types of QBs.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I will admit to a bias. These super mobile QBs have been around since Randall Cunningham, over the last decade we've seen a ton of them and some on good teams. But only one (Hurts) even made it to the Super Bowl.

As I watched the first quarter of the Ravens/Chiefs I told myself I have to get with the times and accept this type of QB as the future. An 8 yard run on 3rd and 6 is just as good as an 8 yard pass into tight coverage.

But then I see Lamar crap the bed in the playoffs. Again. And I'm right back where I've always been, preferring a pocket QB

So I guess Patrick Mahomes is a "pocket" quarterback?

I think what we're seeing is a new "post Brady" model of an elite quarterback. One that can drop the dime, with touch when necessary, but is able to consistently make plays in AND out of the pocket. I think excellent mobility has come to be a expected trait of today's top tier quarterbacks. That's in addition to all the other qualities, mental and physical, you expect to see, of course.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

So I guess Patrick Mahomes is a "pocket" quarterback?

I think what we're seeing is a new "post Brady" model of an elite quarterback. One that can drop the dime, with touch when necessary, but is able to consistently make plays in AND out of the pocket. I think excellent mobility has come to be a expected trait of today's top tier quarterbacks. That's in addition to all the other qualities, mental and physical, you expect to see, of course.

There's a difference between mobile and running QB's. A mobile QB can run adequately or even very well, when the situation demands. But they are still primarily pocket passers. They win primarily with air yards not ground yards. Running QB's are defendable. Just look at what KC did to Jackson as evidence.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

So I guess Patrick Mahomes is a "pocket" quarterback?

I think what we're seeing is a new "post Brady" model of an elite quarterback. One that can drop the dime, with touch when necessary, but is able to consistently make plays in AND out of the pocket. I think excellent mobility has come to be a expected trait of today's top tier quarterbacks. That's in addition to all the other qualities, mental and physical, you expect to see, of course.

Yes. He does most of his damage from the pocket or creating off script. I don't consider him in the same group with Lamar, Kyler etc. who rely on their running more than Mahomes.