Brunell sucks

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Our offense has become far more potent since the start of last season, or even the start of this season, gibbs has really tried to open things up the last month, it is also when we really started to get on a roll, Ramsey has not really been judged with the benefit of this more aggresive play calling, Brunell has greatly benefitted from it, as would Ramsey, everyone want's to judge Ramsey under unfair circumstances, I am tired of hearing about how reckless he is with the football, Brunell up until the last month was just as reckless, Gibbs is now allowing the offense to function properly, we now have more of a balance, defenses no longer know we are going to try and run the clock out by the second quarter, and can't start flooding the box knowing the run, or short pass is coming.

Many just see what Brunell is doing and assume that is all any QB can do, but I say this, Ramsey's arm strength could very possibly stretch the defense much more than Brunell, allowing more room for the underneath passing game, as well as bigger gains for Portis. Ramsey can through a dart 50 yards downfield, a defense has to account for that, who here wouldn't want to see Moss at full speed down the sideline, and Ramsey trying to over throw him? I know defenses wouldn't like to see that, the first time Ramsey hit's Moss for a TD 60 yards in the air as Moss out runs the depth of the defense, and Ramsey throws the ball further than most QB's in the league it will scare the daylights out of any secondary and force them to take much deeper drops, we will not see that happen with Brunell. Is Brunell getting the job done in recent week's? Yes, but can we be even better? My opinion is YES! But that is for next year, Brunell if healthy has to be the man through the playoffs.

We're running the ball on first and second down almost exclusively. I don't call that aggressive playcalling, just hard nosed football...that is exactly what alot of you people complained about. The only reason why we are holding leads or adding onto them in the fourth is because of our running game being so hard to stop now. I'll also say it again....it takes more than arm strength to be a good quarterback and a good leader.

[Warpath]

Im tired of seeing this thread. Brunell doesn't suck or we wouldnt be where we are now, In the playoffs. Im done with this thread.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

We're running the ball on first and second down almost exclusively. I don't call that aggressive playcalling, just hard nosed football...that is exactly what alot of you people complained about. The only reason why we are holding leads or adding onto them in the fourth is because of our running game being so hard to stop now. I'll also say it again....it takes more than arm strength to be a good quarterback and a good leader.

I'll say it for the last time, if you have all those intangables which you should have to be a legitamate NFL QB, I will take the guy with the arm strength, go ask Santana Moss about Pennington, he would still be a Jet if Pennington could reach him. It takes more than being an all around nice guy to play QB as well. Your assesment on Brunells behalf is predicated on the fact that you believe Ramsey is incapable of all those things you mentioned to make a legitamate QB in the NFL, I say he has all that, and the arm to go with it, but because Gibbs won't play him you asume he can't play, but it's only a matter of time before he proves other wise, and you can mark my words it's only a matter of time before Ramsey proves he's a top QB! That second half of the Giant game was a small taste of what Ramsey is capable of, hopefully he does it for us next season.

And explain why our run game has blossomed over the last month, it's blossomed because Gibbs opened up the pass game.

Listen to what Portis and some of the other team leaders have said, they told Gibbs that we can't start trying to run the clock out in the 2nd quarter, we cannot sit back on offense, become 1 dimensional and lay the burden on the defense to win the game by holding on to the lead. Are you saying you haven't seen any difference with the play calling over the last month? We are throwing the ball in third and 4th quarter, we haven't went into a shell with 3 dives into a stacked line every series late in the game, we are mixing up the pass and run game, that is why it has worked, the ability to keep a defense off balance is all we needed and most of us were saying that for the last 2 years, yes we do pass on first down, and we also run on second down, that has been the biggest difference, the ability to keep a defense guessing that hasen't been there for us until recently. And take a look we probably throw 90% of the time on 3rd down, that is not a sign of a smash mouth football team, that didn't happen back in the 80's under Gibbs. Yes we have run the ball far better recently then we have over the last 2 years, but we are not blowing people off of the line of scrimmage, we throw the ball in goal line situations a lot, we didn't have to do that in the 80's, so to say we are playing old school smash mouth hard nose football is just not true. Show me a drive that has been relativly exclusive runs? I can show you plenty from the 80's teams.

This team can probably win passing exclusivly, it's not going to win running exclusivly, but it's the balance and uncertainty of what's coming that has made us an effective offense the last month.

[SmootSmack]

I'm just curious, and I'm sure others are wondering it as well. Offiss, if the Redskins had started Ramsey from day one and let's say the team finished 8-8 and out of the playoffs. Would you be happier than 10-6 and in the playoffs with Brunell?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'm just curious, and I'm sure others are wondering it as well. Offiss, if the Redskins had started Ramsey from day one and let's say the team finished 8-8 and out of the playoffs. Would you be happier than 10-6 and in the playoffs with Brunell?

Shear genious, the problem here is no one is allowed to have an opinion different from some others, I mean that question is something I would expect from an 8 year old, to many get all worked up if you happen to go out on a limb and say Ramsey IMO is a better QB than Brunell at this point in their careers.

What I find absolutly histerical is, of coarse we would be 8-8 with Ramsey in there right? not 11-5 or 12-4 right, maybe the question should be would you rather have a by this week to get healthy and home field advantage for at least 1 game with Ramsey? Or sitting where we are right now? But we all know that would be impossible to even think Ramsey would be capable of that kind of success, right?

There's no way Ramsey would have found a way to beat Oakland, or the Chiefs, or Denver, or Tampa, or the Chargers, all of which were very winnable games.

Remember when Gibbs took over he traded for Portis, he had no need for Betts, it's funny how Gibbs came out and admitted he was wrong about Betts, and that Betts was much better than he originally thought, it's also funny how many football people believe Betts can be a featured back for many teams in the NFL, yet that can no how, no way happen in Ramsey's case, right? Ramsey is garbage he could no how outplay Brunells 9-25 outing on sunday right? Just because Brunell is starting doesn't mean he's the better of the 2, it only means Ramsey hasen't had the opportunity to play in this offense as it has evolved, will he be better? IMO yes, but that's just an opinion based on what I have seen, is it a fact? No, because he hasen't been given a legitamate opportunity in a legitamate offense to show off his skills, if you think for 1 second an offensive scheme, or lack of talent around a QB can't make a QB look bad your sadly mistaken, and Ramsey has yet to play in a serious NFL offense, between Spurriers none existant pass protection schemes, to Gibbs trying to reaclimate himself back into the NFL last year. Brunell has had that luxory this season as we have grown as an offense, and he has done a decent job, DECENT! I would just like to see Ramsey get a fair opportunity to prove me wrong that's all, and I mean next year, as I said several times this is Brunells baby, I don't want a QB change. We are going to sink, or swim, regardless with Brunell! And yes, I do hope we swim.