Presidential Race 2024

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

A) It has nothing to do with Brett Baier, where did I say it does?

B) WOW so you know more about trumps Tax plain then not one World Famous Nobel winner in Economics, no you know more than 23 of them. Do you know what a moron you sound like , did you even READ THE LINK? Hell no becuase you're late night drunk posting again. Admit it, you know nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/polit...lan/index.html

The letter is intentionally brief at just 228 words, which reflects both an effort to secure consensus across a broader spectrum of economists and a desire to elevate that consensus with precision, according to a person familiar with the process. The letter was drafted to incorporate feedback from the initial effort.

It also marked an effort in the final days of the campaign to elevate what those involved viewed as an acute risk posed by Trump both in his economic proposals, but also, in their view, of the potential instability he would pose in an area where certainty and stability are paramount.

The letter points to Trump’s tariff and tax policies as inflationary and likely to balloon the federal deficit – a widely held view among economists. But it also issues a stark warning.

“Among the most important determinants of economic success are the rule of law and economic and political certainty, and Trump threatens all of these,” the economists write.

Despite the warnings and forecasts from economists across the political spectrum, Trump has been steadfast in his pledge to wield threats of sweeping tariffs as a cornerstone of his economic agenda.

We were discussing the interview with Brett Baier, then you went on this tangent about Harris' economic plan. Always trying to control the story. That's why you constantly spam the political threads for going on 8+ years now. Can't wait for 4 more years of it too.

I didn't say anything about Trump's plan. On that note, I do need to read-up more on the exact effects of tariffs. I'm not really for or against them right now. Don't know enough about them to make a decision on them. Not going to vote for Kamala over tariffs though.

Also, Biden has kept most of the same tariffs as Trump implemented. Did Kamala say she was going to get rid of all of them? On one hand she keeps trying to say she's the "change" candidate then on the other hand has said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden. So who knows?

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/biden-trump-tariffs/

"Accordingly, since they were imposed, the trade war tariffs have raised customs duties collections by around $233 billion through March 2024.

Of that $233 billion, just $89 billion was collected during the Trump administration. The remaining $144 billion has been collected during the Biden administration."

Lastly, the fact that Paul Krugman has a Nobel Peace Prize says all I need to know about the value of that award. And 23 is not some amazing number. There are hundreds if not thousands of economists in the USA. Not very hard to find 23 mostly, if not all professors (whom hopefully we can admit are predominantly liberal), to sign that.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

We were discussing the interview with Brett Baier, then you went on this tangent about Harris' economic plan. Always trying to control the story. That's why you constantly spam the political threads for going on 8+ years now. Can't wait for 4 more years of it too.

I didn't say anything about Trump's plan. On that note, I do need to read-up more on the exact effects of tariffs. I'm not really for or against them right now. Don't know enough about them to make a decision on them. Not going to vote for Kamala over tariffs though.

Also, Biden has kept most of the same tariffs as Trump implemented. Did Kamala say she was going to get rid of all of them? On one hand she keeps trying to say she's the "change" candidate then on the other hand has said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden. So who knows?

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/biden-trump-tariffs/

"Accordingly, since they were imposed, the trade war tariffs have raised customs duties collections by around $233 billion through March 2024.

Of that $233 billion, just $89 billion was collected during the Trump administration. The remaining $144 billion has been collected during the Biden administration."

Lastly, the fact that Paul Krugman has a Nobel Peace Prize says all I need to know about the value of that award. And 23 is not some amazing number. There are hundreds if not thousands of economists in the USA. Not very hard to find 23 mostly, if not all professors (whom hopefully we can admit are predominantly liberal), to sign that.

You ignorance is astounding. You realize the Nobel is not just a "USA" prize. it's a World Wide award given to the "Best in the World" in their Fields. The fact you have the ignorance to assume that :" Not very hard to find 23 mostly, if not all professors (whom hopefully we can admit are predominantly liberal), to sign that". Seems people smarter then you threaten you so you attempt to tear them down, you're not very good at it. Had you read what I posted you would see it is across the political spectrum so your Liberal comment is ignorant as well.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You ignorance is astounding. You realize the Nobel is not just a "USA" prize. it's a World Wide award given to the "Best in the World" in their Fields. The fact you have the ignorance to assume that :" Not very hard to find 23 mostly, if not all professors (whom hopefully we can admit are predominantly liberal), to sign that". Seems people smarter then you threaten you so you attempt to tear them down, you're not very good at it. Had you read what I posted you would see it is across the political spectrum so your Liberal comment is ignorant as well.

I am well aware the Nobel Prize is world-wide. But I just assumed the 23 people that signed it were U.S. winners as it was for a U.S. economic plan. Definitely don't care what an economist from another country thinks is best for us. Of the 23 people that signed, what countries were they from? Which of the 23 are conservative? Just using a broad term like "across the political spectrum" doesn't make it true. You know damn well if you looked up these 23 people, at least 90% of them would be liberal. This is like getting Adam Kinzinger to sign a bill written by a democrat(s) and then stating the bill has bi-partisan support.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I am well aware the Nobel Prize is world-wide. But I just assumed the 23 people that signed it were U.S. winners as it was for a U.S. economic plan. Definitely don't care what an economist from another country thinks is best for us. Of the 23 people that signed, what countries were they from? Which of the 23 are conservative? Just using a broad term like "across the political spectrum" doesn't make it true. You know damn well if you looked up these 23 people, at least 90% of them would be liberal. This is like getting Adam Kinzinger to sign a bill written by a democrat(s) and then stating the bill has bi-partisan support.

Your cherry picking is making your conversation very incoherent. You still have not read the link. The letter was signed it is across the political spectrum your Liberal comment is ignorant as well .Your entire post has no fact just hateful political agenda and assumption. Which by the way is right out of the MAGA playbook.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Your cherry picking is making your conversation very incoherent. You still have not read the link. The letter was signed it is across the political spectrum your Liberal comment is ignorant as well .Your entire post has no fact just hateful political agenda and assumption. Which by the way is right out of the MAGA playbook.

Again, just saying it's across the political spectrum, doesn't make it valid and can absolutely be misleading. If you have even 1 conservative among the 23, you can state it's across the political spectrum, but that does not mean there clearly isn't a biased slant overall on the people that signed it.

Again if 1 democrat signs a republican bill or visa-versa, you could technically say that is a bi-partisan bill, even if every single other congress-person of that party voted against it.

So using a broad generic term doesn't mean anything. Since you value those 23 people so much, seems like you would be interested in knowing their political beliefs. But you know I'm right so you won't care to look.

I'm not cherry-picking anything. That's what you do in all your post. You search the internet every day and bombard us with a bunch of posts just confirming what you already agreed with before you posted it. Anyone here can find links that support what they already believe.

But when anyone else posts something that you disagree with, somehow none of that is correct.

I posted a link to polls that were done in September. Are you saying that link says that their own polls they conducted are incorrect? Please highlight where that link says the poll of small-business owners I quoted is incorrect. Would be rather weird for a site to say their own poll is completely wrong.

And lastly, I know you do it to be grating and condescending but stop starting so many posts with lol. Grow up and stop acting like a school-girl.

[Giantone]

13 former Trump administration officials sign open letter backing up John Kelly's criticism of Trump



https://news.yahoo.com/news/13-forme...125310694.html

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

13 former Trump administration officials sign open letter backing up John Kelly's criticism of Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/news/13-forme...125310694.html

You can have all 13 of those deep-state, pro-war, fake conservatives. We have traded all 13 to you for a 1 real-American, Tulsi Gabbard. Done and done.

Tulsi Gabbard Makes Shocking Switch—‘I’m Done with Democrats, It’s Time for Real Change!’ as She Joins the GOP

https://www.econotimes.com/Tulsi-Gab...he-GOP-1691545

Also, no one cares about John Kelly altogether. Just a bitter old cry-baby.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ce/ar-AA1sWwJX

“And he’s a whack job, total whack job,” Trump said, adding: “It’s funny, when you fire people … when you fire people for doing a bad job, they get a little bit angry. … But he was a nutjob to start off with.”

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-trump-of...emarks-1975018

Steven Cheung, Trump's campaign spokesperson, told Newsweek on Friday, "This is nothing more than disgruntled, former low-level employees who had remarkably undistinguished careers in government and are now trying to survive as Never Trump pundits fighting over cable news contracts."

One of Trump's biggest errors was his initial hirings. This guy should have never had the job in the 1st place. There are quite a few people he hired that should have never been hired.