Election Day November 5,2024

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Most people do not view him in a good way. In fact, Harris favorability was higher than Trumps. The Republican party is definitely the party of Trump. It change from the glory worshiping of Reagan to bowing down before dear leader Trump. Notice, both were celebrities/actors.

Chico,

Here is the thing. What happens when Trump is no longer there. Trumpism doesn't exist without Trump. Nobody has that celebrity status or charisma (good or bad) like he has. JD Vance sure hasn't got it, neither does Nikki Haley, Don Jr. etc.....

Nobody does. Like Reagan, they aren't going to be able to duplicate that success. I heard that in one state, there were 70,000 votes for Trump that didn't select any of the down ballot races. That tells you they were there voting for Trump and Trump only. Once he's gone, you can say goodbye to those voters again.

All this aside, it will be Trump remembered over Bush, Clinton and Obama in history from this period of time. Modern day Grover Cleveland feat with a comeback like this was amazing despite every measurement you and others name. He defied everything and persevered.

He’s an American Icon, this election solidifies the status.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

All this aside, it will be Trump remembered over Bush, Clinton and Obama in history from this period of time. Modern day Grover Cleveland feat with a comeback like this was amazing despite every measurement you and others name. He defied everything and persevered.

He’s an American Icon, this election solidifies the status.

You think a convicted sexual predator as President will be remember before the First African American President?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You think a convicted sexual predator as President will be remember before the First African American President?

That’s a great historic asterisk with no achievements other than the direct delivery of Trump to the White House twice without a back to back. Gen X voters who delivered Obama terms effectively ushered out Obama’s legacy moving to back Trump a second time. And did so in damaging fashion.

It’s a full rejection of identity politics and purist elitism which Obama’s Democrat party embraced over a common sense middle class.

It matters that Trump had to overcome a strong opposition within the federal government he inherited who effectively, along with an opposition press, tried to throw him out of office with no substantive evidence or crime committed. Couple that with lawfare , DOJ prosecution, struggles within his own party, a lab leaked world wide Pandemic and multiple assassination attempts. Sorry he overcame all that…this is politics, nobody’s overcome that before.

Plus, he’s simply more interesting.

Story isn’t over, gotta mend a nation and deliver

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

All this aside, it will be Trump remembered over Bush, Clinton and Obama in history from this period of time. Modern day Grover Cleveland feat with a comeback like this was amazing despite every measurement you and others name. He defied everything and persevered.

He’s an American Icon, this election solidifies the status.

That's not remotely true. Many of his voters actually hate him, but somehow convince themselves he's better than the Dems. My own mother doesn't like him, and still votes R because she's always voted R.


I think his cult members will remember him fondly but not the rest of civilization. Think about it, EVERY single member of his original cabinet did not endorse him except for Nikki Haley. That's unprecedented.

This comeback was due to inflation spiking. Had it not, he wouldn't be walking into the office come January. We all know that.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That's not remotely true. Many of his voters actually hate him, but somehow convince themselves he's better than the Dems. My own mother doesn't like him, and still votes R because she's always voted R.


I think his cult members will remember him fondly but not the rest of civilization. Think about it, EVERY single member of his original cabinet did not endorse him except for Nikki Haley. That's unprecedented.

This comeback was due to inflation spiking. Had it not, he wouldn't be walking into the office come January. We all know that.

Wokeism which was tied to the Dems also played a substantial part, but that was an oncoming train that was heading their way for over a decade (and I'm still not sure the Dems learned that lesson given their reaction to Dem Congressman Moulton highlighting that problem).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That's not remotely true. Many of his voters actually hate him, but somehow convince themselves he's better than the Dems. My own mother doesn't like him, and still votes R because she's always voted R.


I think his cult members will remember him fondly but not the rest of civilization. Think about it, EVERY single member of his original cabinet did not endorse him except for Nikki Haley. That's unprecedented.

This comeback was due to inflation spiking. Had it not, he wouldn't be walking into the office come January. We all know that.

I mentioned he overcame folks within his own party. It’s obvious he didn’t support the Bush folks…it’s documented he met with them and didn’t offer them jobs or a seat at the table, that’s why they got big mad and started the never trump movement which failed miserably but they made a lot of money! Thanks nbc news and Comcast!

Trump didn’t like what the GOP did in the 2000s, with the economy and Iraq war. You do know this right? You do know Dick Chaney endorsed Kamala?

I mean, I remember Dems calling Chaney a war criminal.

But yeah, it’s part of the reason he’s will be remembered as an icon, overcoming strong factions within his own party

Bernie couldn’t do it, the party twice united to destroy his chances…he’s the only example I can think of in the Democratic Party to truly rebel against Dem positions multiple times.

Usually Dems just get in line: yeah killing a child on its day of birth is perfectly fine, yeah minor sex changes are beautiful, yeah Israel is committing genocide, yeah violent criminals should be giving grace, yeah all white people are racist, etc

You guys don’t even hear yourself anymore. Of course Trump changed the party, they actually removed a lot of folks Democrats opposed vehemently at one time…but now embrace? Weird

[Giantone]

Popular vote totals make Trump’s ‘mandate’ look like a mirage


https://news.yahoo.com/news/maddow-b...130359790.html


On the surface, the argument, such as it is, might seem unnecessary. Trump won, fair and square. He’ll have power and the ability to pursue his goals.

But the details matter. As things stand, according to the latest tally from the Cook Political Report, Trump won 49.86% of the popular vote — a margin of 1.6% over Vice President Kamala Harris. (The Democratic nominee, interestingly enough, came up short while winning a higher percentage of the popular vote than Trump received in 2016 or 2020.)

The bottom line is unambiguous: As a matter of arithmetic, the 2024 contest was a close race in which more Americans voted against him than for him.

This is relevant, not for practical reasons, but for political ones. Trump’s many critics can declare, accurately and honestly, to the nation and the world, that the incoming president lacks an electoral mandate. The incoming president and his allies, meanwhile, can try to claim that he's the one true voice of the nation, but the popular vote totals point in the opposite direction.

When some news organizations reported on this last week, Karoline Leavitt, the incoming White House press secretary, responded via social media, “New Fake News Narrative Alert! ... The fake news is trying to minimize President Trump’s massive and historic victory to try to delegitimize his mandate before he even takes the Oath of Office again.”

But the pushback is baseless. There’s nothing “fake” about actual election results, whether Republicans approve of them or not. Using the word “mandate” over and over again will not change the outcome or make Trump's coming overreach any less outrageous.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

All this aside, it will be Trump remembered over Bush, Clinton and Obama in history from this period of time. Modern day Grover Cleveland feat with a comeback like this was amazing despite every measurement you and others name. He defied everything and persevered.

He’s an American Icon, this election solidifies the status.

I'm sure but remembered in the same vein as Nero being more well known than Trajan, Hadrian and Marcus Aurelious. Question for you on this bit "....with no substantive evidence or crime committed." Were you just talking about the time before he lost the election in 2020? If so, somewhat true but after that election there was a shit load of substantive evidence of criminal activity on his part during that period. Had the Dems not nominated such a passive AG who never moved on the case, it is likely he'd have been tried for those crimes.