Brees and Rivers and the Market for Ramsey

[skinsfanthru&thru]

not to nit pick but wasn't it a 3rd round pick that we gave up for Brunell?
I know I agree with others that posted that this should have been handled differently, but if gibbs honestly saw Ramsey having the potential to lead this team in the future, there is absolutely no way he would have given so much for Brunell and then once again for Campbell. And from a man who is extremely devoted to the success of this franchise and a very reliable past in choosing qbs, for me personally that speaks volume of Gibbs lack of faith in Ramsey. Call me a homer if anyone wants but Gibbs has shown what he was doing in the past especially involving this position so until proven 100% wrong, I for one will trust his choices. There is no way Ramsey stays with the team past next season so we need to get something for him while we can, simple as that. oh and GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[celts32]

Once the season ends Ramsey will make public his desire to move on. He will not be happy being #2 again next year and as Gibbs proved with LC last year when a player makes noise they will be sent packing. Ramsey was a good soldier this year when he could have rocked the boat...he deserves his chance to move on ad try and start elsewhere. Some team needs to come up with some trade offeres though...he will not just be given away.

[diehardskin2982]

with the Saints in the #2 spot they will either take Lienarht or Young. If they hire Mike Martz they will get Leinarht. I wanted to trade for Darren Howard. But if the Abraham for Ramsey trade goes through, I'd take it in a heart beat. My question is what will they do with Arrington?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

with the Saints in the #2 spot they will either take Lienarht or Young. If they hire Mike Martz they will get Leinarht. I wanted to trade for Darren Howard. But if the Abraham for Ramsey trade goes through, I'd take it in a heart beat. My question is what will they do with Arrington?

Abraham is a better rushing the passer off the edge than anyone we have by miles - you take that deal for Ramsey, and restructure Abraham's contract if necessary. Sadly, the Skins almost certainly will have to part ways with LaVar. His $12M cap figure next year makes that a virtual forgone conclusion. Thank goodness we have Marcus Washington locked up at a lesser figure.

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Abraham is a better rushing the passer off the edge than anyone we have by miles - you take that deal for Ramsey, and restructure Abraham's contract if necessary. Sadly, the Skins almost certainly will have to part ways with LaVar. His $12M cap figure next year makes that a virtual forgone conclusion. Thank goodness we have Marcus Washington locked up at a lesser figure.

Actually, from a cap standpoint it costs about $500k more to cut Lavar than to keep him. So unless Snyder wants to save actual dollars, theres really no reason to get rid of him unless we get blown away with a trade offer...

[skinsttw]

Maybe trade LA for a decent cornerback?

[offiss]

Question to everyone who thinks Ramsey is going to be traded, who's going to backup Brunell? [not Campbell] Do we need another QB to come in and spend a year learning Gibbs offense? Who will then have to play if Brunell goes down. Ramsey is very reasonable I do not trade him for less than a #1. and even then I believe his value to us is worth more than what a #1 might bring back.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by offiss

Question to everyone who thinks Ramsey is going to be traded, who's going to backup Brunell? [not Campbell] Do we need another QB to come in and spend a year learning Gibbs offense? Who will then have to play if Brunell goes down. Ramsey is very reasonable I do not trade him for less than a #1. and even then I believe his value to us is worth more than what a #1 might bring back.

I have to agree with you, and if I remember right, Joe Gibbs has said in the past that the most important position is the starting QB, the second most important position is the backup QB. So that makes me think that we just keep Ramsey atleast for 1 more year.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Question to everyone who thinks Ramsey is going to be traded, who's going to backup Brunell? [not Campbell] Do we need another QB to come in and spend a year learning Gibbs offense? Who will then have to play if Brunell goes down. Ramsey is very reasonable I do not trade him for less than a #1. and even then I believe his value to us is worth more than what a #1 might bring back.

Why would it not be Campbell? It is the natural evoltuion of his career to step up the work he gets. That having been said, I think patrick is much better alternative in that scenario. However, even though he has done a good job being a team guy through this season, I would be shocked if he does not make a major push to be released/traded in the off-season.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Why would it not be Campbell? It is the natural evoltuion of his carrer to step up the work he gets. That having been said, I think patrick is much better alternative in that scenario. However, even though he has done a good job being a teeam guy through this season, I would be shocked if he does not make a major push to be released/traded in the off-season.

Well if you believe Campbell is ready to step in start next season then OK, I find it hard to believe that Brunell, and Ramsey, who played in the offense last season and had a boat load of trouble trying to learn it, will then see Campbell step in and take us to the playoffs. Joey T. said it takes a full year to learn Gibbs system, and that's playing. So I highly doubt Campbell will be ready for quite sometime.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well if you believe Campbell is ready to step in start next season then OK, I find it hard to believe that Brunell, and Ramsey, who played in the offense last season and had a boat load of trouble trying to learn it, will then see Campbell step in and take us to the playoffs. Joey T. said it takes a full year to learn Gibbs system, and that's playing. So I highly doubt Campbell will be ready for quite sometime.

Actually, I said that it would be a logical step in the natural evoulution of things for Campbell (who is assumed to be the starter at some point in time) to take the number two role and start getting more work with the team. I also stated that Patrick is a better alternative at this time. However, I don't think he will have any part in that role!

[Master4Caster]

I am old school and am convinced that QBs need four to five years of seasoning before they should start. Starting Harrington, Carr, Boller in their first year hasn't helped them or their teams. Although you can make a case for Little Eli and Drew Brees, they really are the exception when you think of it and they have strong rushers in their backfield. Harrington, Carr, Boller, Orton and Ramsey will develop into fine starters along the line of Steve Buerlein and Brad Johnson (who spent his first five years as a back-up with the Vikings).

Much as Mark Brunell has done this year, he will be 36 next season. Jurgensen retired at about that age. Ramsey will be a better package next season than Campbell. Also, teams should grow their stars and keep them. Hard to do these days, but still the ideal situation. If Joe Gibbs can work his magic, maybe Ramsey stays.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Master4Caster

I am old school and am convinced that QBs need four to five years of seasoning before they should start. Starting Harrington, Carr, Boller in their first year hasn't helped them or their teams. Although you can make a case for Little Eli and Drew Brees, they really are the exception when you think of it and they have strong rushers in their backfield. Harrington, Carr, Boller, Orton and Ramsey will develop into fine starters along the line of Steve Buerlein and Brad Johnson (who spent his first five years as a back-up with the Vikings).

Much as Mark Brunell has done this year, he will be 36 next season. Jurgensen retired at about that age. Ramsey will be a better package next season than Campbell. Also, teams should grow their stars and keep them. Hard to do these days, but still the ideal situation. If Joe Gibbs can work his magic, maybe Ramsey stays.

Yea, 'Im old school as well. In all honesty I cannot imagine anyone saying "were gonna' bench this dude for 5 years @ 5 mil per" so he can mature. The only one I can remember doing (I am sure there are more) something like that is the Skins, when Theisman was the backup to Kilmer, and it took him forever to prove himself better.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Master4Caster

I am old school ...

Much as Mark Brunell has done this year, he will be 36 next season. Jurgensen retired at about that age. Ramsey will be a better package next season than Campbell.

You may be Old School, but I'm Old Dirt!

I see MB calling it quits after the end of this season. He proved that he wasn't washed up, and he wants to go out on a high note, not as a has-been. The man has a ton of class!

PRam will inherit the Redskin earth!



A "We want DaBux!" smilie needed here!

[irish]

PR will not stay with the skins. Like I said back in August, Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. And for his part, I think PR knows this and wants to move on and see if he can catch-on and become a starter. Gibbs drafted Campbell and MB is Gibbs' boy, PR is the odd man out. PR may end up being a good QB in the NFL but it wont be with the skins.