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The Starter
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread
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https://riggosrag.com/luke-mccaffrey...sees-it-coming https://atozsports.com/nfl/washingto...acorey-brooks/ Jacorey Brooks also could get in the mix and was inexplicably not drafted. Noah Brown is back also and is decently productive. Think he can be moreso with the Deebo acquisition. I have said before in this forum that I don't mind getting Lane but would have preferred Swinson. No one knows who the better player is of the 2 so it is premature for you to assert that. What we do know is edge and defense were more of a need than wr. Last edited by WCommandersfan99; 05-04-2025 at 01:28 PM. |
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason ThreadThe versatility he's shown - working stunts, dropping in coverage, even spying athletic quarterbacks - gives defen
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Please read the article below on him: https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...nson-DE-Oregon The versatility he's shown - working stunts, dropping in coverage, even spying athletic quarterbacks - gives defensive coordinators a chess piece they can move around the formation. Put him in the right scheme, and you're looking at an impact player who should hear his name called in the late second round. Smart money's on Swinson outplaying his draft position. Lane is fast. This isn't college though. His stats in the mediocre ACC were pretty average around 500 yds rec/season. Our new udfa wr Ja'Corey Brooks had 1,000 alone in 1 season last year. Please don't come crying to me when our defense isn't good enough to win the SB next year. Jayden and the offense will be great, but barring more changes defense won't be good enough. |
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason ThreadThe versatility he's shown - working stunts, dropping in coverage, even spying athletic quarterbacks - gives defen
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As for Swinson, in 4 rounds 19 edge rushers were picked by 19 different FO before our pick. AP said that Lane was our top rated punt returner. We have 3 of our last 10 first round picks still on our team. We need talent first and foremost, not reaching for the 22nd edge rusher. That said, I do believe AP and crew will bring in a veteran edge on a 1 or 2 year deal. Keep in mind 20 teams brought in rookie edge rushers, that likely means an overpaid but productive vet will become available in the next wave of FA. And from your referenced link: Quote:
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason ThreadThe versatility he's shown - working stunts, dropping in coverage, even spying athletic quarterbacks - gives defen
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What we did needed and still need unfortunately is an edge. I'm all for BPA philosophy but not after 1 unit was sufficiently addressed (offense) moreso than the defense. You know VERY well that Lane will not start. I wouldn't even be surprised if he doesn't play a lot. He may return punts sure but again speed isn't everything. Production is. We had a far greater NEED that was neglected in this draft. Swinson may not start year 1 but his strength is pass rushing. He also could evolve into a strong run defender. I want SEC dudes especially on defense. He's not a liability against the rush. The article I referenced rated him at 80% for rush defense which clearly indicates not a liability. Actually the article states he could be a FORCE in a STARTING position by year 2. He can get bigger and likely will to aid with the rush defense. It's just that he's better at pass rushing grading out at 98% here. He is a superb athlete. Players with this type of athleticism and tools (high motor, great moves, sacks, TFL, etc.) are very difficult to find. This is what we needed especially with the loss of Fowler Jr. and his 10.5 sacks. Offense was added to and defense was taken from not only in FA but the draft also. |
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread
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They also do not reach to fill immediate needs and I think this organization feels this way as well. I believe them when they said they took the highest rated player on their board and have no reason not to. All of your other players mentioned are either JAGS or completely unproven. McCaffery was getting opportunities and then was relegated to returning kicks. Coaches know more than fans, they see things we do not see and they obviously saw something with McCaffery. I'd be happy to be wrong here but expecting him to become a legit WR2 is speculation. Nope other than Terry and one year of Deebo I don't see how anyone can say this WR group was solid before the draft. |
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread
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Also, as I mentioned if he balls out (likely) we can give him a new deal. McLaurin-Deebo is a nasty 1-2 punch. Look at Philly with Brown and Smith. They don't have much after that at receiver. But clearly they didn't need it because the rest of their team and especially their defense is so good. I'd actually take our depth pieces at receiver over Philly's last year (Gallup, Noah Brown, McCaffrey, Brooks) etc. Gallup and Brown are good for at least a few hundred yds a season at receiver virtually every year they play. Do you recognize how good of production this is for a 3 a 4 wr? Our receivers were fine going into 2025 prior to the draft, and they nabbed Brooks who put up twice the amount of receiving yds that Lane did their final college seasons. I don't give a rat's ass if Lane is fast. Brooks was the better college player. You are underestimating how critical edge is to the NFL. Why do you think Philly had Mahomes on his ass the whole SB and dominated the dynasty? Sweat and all their big uglies is why. Something our team lacks and will prevent us from winning the SB this year. |
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This team had no edge guys last year, and it isn’t why we didn’t win a Superbowl. We didn’t win a Superbowl because we put the ball on the ground 3 times in crucial situations. I think you are underestimating how important the rest of the team is outside edge rusher. Do we need to upgrade at the position, yes. Is this roster better than last years, yes. |
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...oys-reach-deal He credited outside linebackers coach Ryan Kerrigan, the organization's all-time sack leader, with helping him develop more as an edge rusher. I'm not underestimating the other positions. I'm just recognizing a weakness on an otherwise loaded team. |
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Well aware of his 10-1/2 sacks and the fact he is gone. Well aware of the fact that Dante Fowler coming back isn’t putting us over the top. Once again, this team was one giant hole before AP got here. Now there is one. AP didn’t reach , he went bpa and im all for it. Watch what our improved secondary does for whoever rushes the edge this year. |
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Totally recognize that AP is doing a great job. Today's SB teams cannot have any weaknesses is the issue, and we have one. I'm frustrated because it hasn't been sufficiently addressed, and I am concerned our defense won't be good enough. I will be more optimistic about the ultimate goal if I see improvements and additions here but it is late in the offseason game. Wagner is 1 year older, Fowler Jr. is gone, Allen is gone, Chinn is gone, and many feel they reached on Kinlaw. Secondary can only hold on so long with modern day pro receivers. |
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Using your stats in the last 4 seasons he has missed 2 games in 3 seasons and 7 games in a 4th. That's an injury history that will not improve with age. Now in a contract year as I said I expect him to blow up. But being overweight, out of shape, with decreasing production and an injury history is now part of his legacy and that can't be overlooked as they consider paying top of the market price to a 30 year old. Yes if you go down the depth chart Noah Brown is better than Philly's WR3. But let's not pretend Terry and whoever wins WR2 is as good as Devonte Adams and AJ Brown. Deebo is a gaget guy, a real weapon who will also carry the ball as a RB but he is not a WR 2. Top WR 2's do not end the season in a good offense with 51/670/3. So we can't compare him to Phillys WR2, he's in a special catagory. So that leave us with Terry and JAG GUY as the WR2. If Terry went down this WR group would have been below average, even with Deebo blowing up in his role. |
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https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...7a99ec05367fd0 WTF are you talking about Devante Adams when talking about Philly? He has been on the Jets and Raiders the last 4 years and has never been an Eagle. Please get your facts straight. Believe you're referring to DeVonta Smith. Strongly disagree with you about Deebo not being a #2 wr. He consistently puts very solid receiving yards every season just not elite which coincides with most #2s in the league. He averages around 800 yds rec/season and is a great run blocker. Yes, he can rush also as you noticed which is an added bonus. You think Deebo is just JAG. SMH. He is more than capable of being great as #2. Purdy struggled more in 2024 especially late in the season as did the Niners offense a lot. Deebo saw this and wanted out. Jayden and Kingsbury will bring out the best in him. Last edited by WCommandersfan99; 05-07-2025 at 12:08 AM. |
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread
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I never said we are getting an unmotived player. As a matter of fact I said the exact opposite, Deebo in a contract year will be highly motivated and highly productive IMO as I had clearly said. Obviously I was talking about his next contract as I made reference to that repeatedly. Just as obvious was I meant Smith not Adams. Don't go overboard about a simple oversight please. As for Deebo in SF it's common knowledge that Deebo in SF was overweight. out of shape and had fallen our of favor with management. I'm not doing your work for you, Google will help you with that. Use the words "Deebo 20 pounds overweight in 2024" and read the reports and not the words of the player who has every reason to lie. Your own article explains how trade rumors involving Deebo have occured in previous years which begs the question why on Earth would the Niners be interested in trading a player like Deebo Samuel? Why did they chose to hitch their wagon to Aiyuk and not continue with Deebo Samuel? I never once said Deebo Samuel is "just JAG". WTF are YOU talking about? I referred to everyone else as JAGs because that's exactly what they are. So as I have argued Terry and Deebo are the only 2 legit weapons in the WR room. One is in a contract year who is about to turn 30 with an injury and weight issue history. So after this season that may very well mean 1 legit weapon on the outside who is about to turn 30 as well and bunch of guys after that. This situation could have very well lead to an overpay in FA or reaching in the 2026 draft to try to fill an immediate need. They needed a young impact WR for this year and beyond, just as they needed a young impact edge. They took the higher rated player on their board. I'm happy this is their strategy and you should be as well. Last edited by Darrell Green Fan; 05-07-2025 at 07:35 AM. |
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Re: Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread
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This is your main flawed problem. You keep worrying about wrs for 2026 and beyond and are neglecting the defense. This team was 2 games from winning the SB last year with a star rookie qb. For the millionth time, WR was addressed prior to the draft for the 2025 season. We can worry about 2026 next year more for wrs, and I've already provided solutions for that (extending Deebo, Brooks, McCaffrey more polished etc.). Defense will prevent us from winning the SB which Lane doesn't play. Your asinine quote below: Deebo is a gaget guy, a real weapon who will also carry the ball as a RB but he is not a WR 2. Top WR 2's do not end the season in a good offense with 51/670/3. So we can't compare him to Phillys WR2, he's in a special catagory. So that leave us with Terry and JAG GUY as the WR2. Deebo will be our #2 this year whether you like it or not. Jayden has plenty of weapons and an upgraded oline. Defense lost pieces and lacks an edge. Don't come to me when we don't reach the SB next year. Defense still wins championships. |
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