Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

You said Niners said he was unmotivated. False. He was slightly overweight due to pneumonia and injuries. Again show me ANY article saying he's unmotivated as you asserted. Ridiculous for you to say that.

This is your main flawed problem. You keep worrying about wrs for 2026 and beyond and are neglecting the defense. This team was 2 games from winning the SB last year with a star rookie qb. For the millionth time, WR was addressed prior to the draft for the 2025 season. We can worry about 2026 next year more for wrs, and I've already provided solutions for that (extending Deebo, Brooks, McCaffrey more polished etc.). Defense will prevent us from winning the SB which Lane doesn't play.

Your asinine quote below:

Deebo is a gaget guy, a real weapon who will also carry the ball as a RB but he is not a WR 2. Top WR 2's do not end the season in a good offense with 51/670/3. So we can't compare him to Phillys WR2, he's in a special catagory. So that leave us with Terry and JAG GUY as the WR2.

Deebo will be our #2 this year whether you like it or not. Jayden has plenty of weapons and an upgraded oline. Defense lost pieces and lacks an edge. Don't come to me when we don't reach the SB next year. Defense still wins championships.

I guess you don't want to discuss how there have been trade rumors for years now and why that would be, or why they chose to extend Aiyuk and not Samuel. Being overweight and out of shape is a symptom of not being motivated. These were taken from a few articles, there are many more out there and frankly I'm surprised this needs to be proven to you as it's common knowledge:

During those rough negotiations, I heard that a 49ers negotiator told Deebo or his agent that he didn’t deserve the kind of massive extension other players were receiving because he wasn’t going to last that long at the top of the game.

Specifically, the 49ers didn’t think his style of play — and, quite frankly, his training habits — would lead to much production into his late-20s and 30s.

https://sfstandard.com/2025/03/03/49...at-we-learned/

There appeared to be consternation between Samuel and the club over the last several seasons. The 29-year-old complained about his touches during 2024, and the Niners have reportedly had concerns for a few years.


https://www.nfl.com/news/deebo-samue...%20wash%20away.

It's clear by your post that you want the quick fix for next season, although a rookie edge picked in the 2nd round probably won't be an immediate impact player. The team has chosen a more long term approach and I believe them when they said they took the best player available and that is always the correct approach to take.

There is no guarantee that they will sign Samuel to another contract. So that leaves potentially a 30 year old as the only legit WR weapon going into next season.

Don't ever lose that passion man, I have enjoyed this exchange even with your nasty tone.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I guess you don't want to discuss how there have been trade rumors for years now and why that would be, or why they chose to extend Aiyuk and not Samuel. Being overweight and out of shape is a symptom of not being motivated. These were taken from a few articles, there are many more out there and frankly I'm surprised this needs to be proven to you as it's common knowledge:

During those rough negotiations, I heard that a 49ers negotiator told Deebo or his agent that he didn’t deserve the kind of massive extension other players were receiving because he wasn’t going to last that long at the top of the game.

Specifically, the 49ers didn’t think his style of play — and, quite frankly, his training habits — would lead to much production into his late-20s and 30s.

https://sfstandard.com/2025/03/03/49...at-we-learned/

There appeared to be consternation between Samuel and the club over the last several seasons. The 29-year-old complained about his touches during 2024, and the Niners have reportedly had concerns for a few years.


https://www.nfl.com/news/deebo-samue...%20wash%20away.

It's clear by your post that you want the quick fix for next season, although a rookie edge picked in the 2nd round probably won't be an immediate impact player. The team has chosen a more long term approach and I believe them when they said they took the best player available and that is always the correct approach to take.

There is no guarantee that they will sign Samuel to another contract. So that leaves potentially a 30 year old as the only legit WR weapon going into next season.

Don't ever lose that passion man, I have enjoyed this exchange even with your nasty tone.

Likewise on your passion also. I recognize we're just fans who want a ring. I didn't see anything in either article implying a motivation level at SF. That's my main issue with what you're saying. He's motivated now which both of us agree is all that matters. Peters was actually singing his praises yesterday:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ill-you-to-win

I don't understand why you keep worrying about receivers in 2026 now. By your tone, you would think McLaurin and the gang are all 38 years old. NFL receivers can and a lot produce well past 30 now. Hill, Thielen, Adams, Hopkins, etc. Please be open to the wonderful possibility of extending McLaurin and Deebo next year and they will continue to produce. AP will know what to do with receivers and we have a great owner now supporting him. We only have JD on a rookie contract for so long is why I'm concerned about the defense going into 2025. Hope I'm wrong and they're great on d.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Likewise on your passion also. I recognize we're just fans who want a ring. I didn't see anything in either article implying a motivation level at SF. That's my main issue with what you're saying. He's motivated now which both of us agree is all that matters. Peters was actually singing his praises yesterday:



https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ill-you-to-win



I don't understand why you keep worrying about receivers in 2026 now. By your tone, you would think McLaurin and the gang are all 38 years old. NFL receivers can and a lot produce well past 30 now. Hill, Thielen, Adams, Hopkins, etc. Please be open to the wonderful possibility of extending McLaurin and Deebo next year and they will continue to produce. AP will know what to do with receivers and we have a great owner now supporting him. We only have JD on a rookie contract for so long is why I'm concerned about the defense going into 2025. Hope I'm wrong and they're great on d.

JD5's rookie contract is exactly why getting a veteran edge and rookie wr. a veteran edge can come in and pick up DQ and Whitt's scheme, but getting a rookie WR with high upside gives JD5 time to develop a high level rapport.
if you reverse it. the rookie edge doesn't have a true mentor here and a veteran WR might have habits he has to unlearn.

This isn't an end all rationale for drafting purposes but as a fan understanding maybe it gives you a different frame of reference.

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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

JD5's rookie contract is exactly why getting a veteran edge and rookie wr. a veteran edge can come in and pick up DQ and Whitt's scheme, but getting a rookie WR with high upside gives JD5 time to develop a high level rapport.
if you reverse it. the rookie edge doesn't have a true mentor here and a veteran WR might have habits he has to unlearn.

This isn't an end all rationale for drafting purposes but as a fan understanding maybe it gives you a different frame of reference.

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I'm good with your logic but give me that veteran edge also since it hasn't happened yet. In my dreams, I was hoping we'd trade for Hendrickson or even better Watt. That ain't happening and pickings are getting slim. Really hope to get a good veteran edge who can harass qbs but I have doubts at this point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

I'm good with your logic but give me that veteran edge also since it hasn't happened yet. In my dreams, I was hoping we'd trade for Hendrickson or even better Watt. That ain't happening and pickings are getting slim. Really hope to get a good veteran edge who can harass qbs but I have doubts at this point.

I would bet money that we sign an edge in the next 5 weeks. not a lot of money but a few

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[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I would bet money that we sign an edge in the next 5 weeks. not a lot of money but a few

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Hope you're correct. We need one as you may know I feel strongly about

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Likewise on your passion also. I recognize we're just fans who want a ring. I didn't see anything in either article implying a motivation level at SF. That's my main issue with what you're saying. He's motivated now which both of us agree is all that matters. Peters was actually singing his praises yesterday:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ill-you-to-win

I don't understand why you keep worrying about receivers in 2026 now. By your tone, you would think McLaurin and the gang are all 38 years old. NFL receivers can and a lot produce well past 30 now. Hill, Thielen, Adams, Hopkins, etc. Please be open to the wonderful possibility of extending McLaurin and Deebo next year and they will continue to produce. AP will know what to do with receivers and we have a great owner now supporting him. We only have JD on a rookie contract for so long is why I'm concerned about the defense going into 2025. Hope I'm wrong and they're great on d.

I'm concerned about the defense in 2025 as well. But I plan on being a fan beyond 2025 and this WR group was facing the very real possiblity of having exactly one impact WR, who will be 30, after 2025. Again I am not so sure they will want to extend Deebo given his age and history, you seem to think that will definitely happen with a declining player and I just don't think that is a given. I'm not sure the plan is to have big contracts to 2 30 year old WRs, one with an injury and weight issue. Now it could very well happen as you say, we agree he will be huge this year, but it's also a risk.

The articles I posted clearly show that he had fallen out of favor in SF for several years, one literally mentioned his training methods. There are a ton of articles explaing how he was 20 pounds overweight before last season. Again not training is a direct function of a lack of motivation. Training hard and weight control is pretty much 100% motivation.

We won't have that problem this year, again in a contract year Deebo will be extremely motivated. But I'm not talking about this upcoming season. If he blows up and gets a fat deal this could very well be an issue again. Missing at least 2 games in each of the last 4 seasons, not to mention the time he missed in the games he played in and was hurt, is a legit injury history that won't improve with age.

I'll also repeat that a DE taken at 61 has very little chance of being an impact edge rusher as a rookie. Myles Garrett and TJ Watt, the first 2 pass rushers I could think of, both had 7 sacks as rookies and the guy taken at 61 ain't no Myles Garrett.

And the biggest point of all is good teams do not reach in the draft to fill an immediate need. I have no reason not to believe Adam Peters when he said their strategy is BPA and they felt that Amos was the best player available. I was one of the few who was not crazy about the pick at the time, I wanted a great explosive RB. But soon I realized if he was their highest rated player I'm fine with the decision.