Brees and Rivers and the Market for Ramsey

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Hog1

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Your right, I was trying to be kind! Gibbs had no confidence at that time that PR could pull it off. Can anyone argue with the decision, and the results being enjoyed by the Skins?

Damn do you really want that answered..it will be closed like every other anti brunell thread! It's best not to ask questions like that....... I said I would stay positive this week why cant everyone else..why do we need Brunell is better... ramsey cant do this.... why not have peace and just talk playoffs....

[#56fanatic]

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

Cowboy lover.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Cowboy lover.

Thats funny. Not a cowboy lover, I hate em. But I respect Jimmy Johnson. Hey, we almost had Jimmy Johnson out of retirement when we hired spurrier. Jimmy was a great coach and good at picking talent.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

LOL you might want to check his draft record when he was with Miami, it didn't compare to his success with Dallas.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

Well, since we're relying on cowboy coaches - Parcells has said that Ramsey just doesn't have what it takes and will never be a winning QB in the NFL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, since we're relying on cowboy coaches - Parcells has said that Ramsey just doesn't have what it takes and will never be a winning QB in the NFL.

Parcells also thought Cooley wasn't starting material.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, since we're relying on cowboy coaches - Parcells has said that Ramsey just doesn't have what it takes and will never be a winning QB in the NFL.

Is that true? He really came out and said that or are you extracting that meaning from a different statement?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by celts32

Is that true? He really came out and said that or are you extracting that meaning from a different statement?

It has been reported that during the draft process before Cooley was drafted Parcells told Cooley, during a visit to the Cowboys, that he was no better than a depth/backup player in the NFL based on the film Parcells had watched on him. Parcells is clearly a master talent evaluator as well as a master talent motivator. Or maybe he is just a master asshole.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It has been reported that during the draft process before Cooley was drafted Parcells told Cooley, during a visit to the Cowboys, that he was no better than a depth/backup player in the NFL based on the film Parcells had watched on him. Parcells is clearly a master talent evaluator as well as a master talent motivator. Or maybe he is just a master asshole.

Absolutly! Parcells was dead on with that one. And as far as talent evaluation when it comes to QB's, he passed on Delhome because he didn't believe he was worth an extra million which Delhome recieved from Carolina, only to winde up with the million dollar arm, and the ten cent brain in Bledsoe for his QB, nice job Bill!

As far as Ramsey is concerned, nobody here has seen him in a legitamate offense in the NFL, all he did was run for his life when SS was here, and he threw it extremly well under SS whenever he wasen't being lambasted by a defender after 3 step's. He then played some last season in a Gibbs offense that was going no where. Then he get's outplayed by Brunell in the pre-season, of coarse he was facing mostly starters, while a seasoned veteran in Brunell moved the ball against the A-P bag boys, Brunell had more success but he wasen't anything remotly spectacular in the pre-season.

Then comes the Bears game, a reciever runs the wrong route and Ramsey is blamed for the INT, he then gets closed line and fumbles on a personel foul and nothing is called, after he drove the ball twice down the throats of what has become the best defense in the NFL. Enter Brunell, now everyone wants to focus on Patrick's TO's yet we are not to look at Brunells 2 TO's the very next game against the cowboys, now Gibbs allowed Brunell to redeem himself, and he did with 2 miracle throws in the last 4 minutes after being as pathetic as a QB can be for the first 56 minutes.

To bad Patrick wasen't given that same chance by Gibbs, the deck was always stacked in Brunells favor, Ramsey has been treated like the redheaded step child since Gibbs arrived.

The real killer here is Gibbs can succeed with just about anyone at QB, Rypien, Williams, and Schroeder, so it is no surprise that he is now succeeding with Brunell, who IMO is better than the 3 I just mentioned, but to say Ramsey wouldn't succeed either is nonesense, Ramsey IMO is better than those 3 as well, and would be enjoying the same kind of success that Brunell is now, he has not had a real opportunity to prove himself PERIOD! If you want to believe that he won't succeed if given a fair chance [you know like Brunell recieved all last season] then fine, but to say he's already failed is nonesense.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Absolutly! Parcells was dead on with that one. And as far as talent evaluation when it comes to QB's, he passed on Delhome because he didn't believe he was worth an extra million which Delhome recieved from Carolina, only to winde up with the million dollar arm, and the ten cent brain in Bledsoe for his QB, nice job Bill!

As far as Ramsey is concerned, nobody here has seen him in a legitamate offense in the NFL, all he did was run for his life when SS was here, and he threw it extremly well under SS whenever he wasen't being lambasted by a defender after 3 step's. He then played some last season in a Gibbs offense that was going no where. Then he get's outplayed by Brunell in the pre-season, of coarse he was facing mostly starters, while a seasoned veteran in Brunell moved the ball against the A-P bag boys, Brunell had more success but he wasen't anything remotly spectacular in the pre-season.

Then comes the Bears game, a reciever runs the wrong route and Ramsey is blamed for the INT, he then gets closed line and fumbles on a personel foul and nothing is called, after he drove the ball twice down the throats of what has become the best defense in the NFL. Enter Brunell, now everyone wants to focus on Patrick's TO's yet we are not to look at Brunells 2 TO's the very next game against the cowboys, now Gibbs allowed Brunell to redeem himself, and he did with 2 miracle throws in the last 4 minutes after being as pathetic as a QB can be for the first 56 minutes.

To bad Patrick wasen't given that same chance by Gibbs, the deck was always stacked in Brunells favor, Ramsey has been treated like the redheaded step child since Gibbs arrived.

The real killer here is Gibbs can succeed with just about anyone at QB, Rypien, Williams, and Schroeder, so it is no surprise that he is now succeeding with Brunell, who IMO is better than the 3 I just mentioned, but to say Ramsey wouldn't succeed either is nonesense, Ramsey IMO is better than those 3 as well, and would be enjoying the same kind of success that Brunell is now, he has not had a real opportunity to prove himself PERIOD! If you want to believe that he won't succeed if given a fair chance [you know like Brunell recieved all last season] then fine, but to say he's already failed is nonesense.

WARNING: this is not a personal attack.

Easy Mr. Ramsey, Young Patricks time will come.
I must admit I am surprised that in one sentence you suggest that Gibbs made success's out of three different QB's. THAT would suggest a certain level of mastery in that area. In the next breath, you suggest Ramsey is better than Brunell and all three of the others. Do you now believe the QB master is so blind to overlook such a super talent? You CONTINUALLY confuse what may be, with WHAT IS. I believe PR has a lot of talent and will get to display it when the time is right. I know Mark Brunell has this team poised to make a Super Bowl run.
ALL the casino's in Las Vegas are built by the money of people willing to take the emotional position, rather than the objective one. It's cool to be a Ramsey homer, but is does affect your objectivity.