Brees and Rivers and the Market for Ramsey

[#56fanatic]

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

Cowboy lover.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Cowboy lover.

Thats funny. Not a cowboy lover, I hate em. But I respect Jimmy Johnson. Hey, we almost had Jimmy Johnson out of retirement when we hired spurrier. Jimmy was a great coach and good at picking talent.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

LOL you might want to check his draft record when he was with Miami, it didn't compare to his success with Dallas.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

One of the best talent evaluators the NFL has ever seen said Patrick Ramsey would be a very good QB in the NFL, and I tend to believe him over most of the other so called experts. This guy has won superbowls, actually should have gotten credit for one more, because the other guy just stood there and watched, I could have coached that team. I found talent up and down the draft that people didn't give a second look at. He is rarely wrong when evaluating talent.

The guy, Jimmy Johnson.

Well, since we're relying on cowboy coaches - Parcells has said that Ramsey just doesn't have what it takes and will never be a winning QB in the NFL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, since we're relying on cowboy coaches - Parcells has said that Ramsey just doesn't have what it takes and will never be a winning QB in the NFL.

Parcells also thought Cooley wasn't starting material.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, since we're relying on cowboy coaches - Parcells has said that Ramsey just doesn't have what it takes and will never be a winning QB in the NFL.

Is that true? He really came out and said that or are you extracting that meaning from a different statement?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by celts32

Is that true? He really came out and said that or are you extracting that meaning from a different statement?

It has been reported that during the draft process before Cooley was drafted Parcells told Cooley, during a visit to the Cowboys, that he was no better than a depth/backup player in the NFL based on the film Parcells had watched on him. Parcells is clearly a master talent evaluator as well as a master talent motivator. Or maybe he is just a master asshole.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It has been reported that during the draft process before Cooley was drafted Parcells told Cooley, during a visit to the Cowboys, that he was no better than a depth/backup player in the NFL based on the film Parcells had watched on him. Parcells is clearly a master talent evaluator as well as a master talent motivator. Or maybe he is just a master asshole.

Absolutly! Parcells was dead on with that one. And as far as talent evaluation when it comes to QB's, he passed on Delhome because he didn't believe he was worth an extra million which Delhome recieved from Carolina, only to winde up with the million dollar arm, and the ten cent brain in Bledsoe for his QB, nice job Bill!

As far as Ramsey is concerned, nobody here has seen him in a legitamate offense in the NFL, all he did was run for his life when SS was here, and he threw it extremly well under SS whenever he wasen't being lambasted by a defender after 3 step's. He then played some last season in a Gibbs offense that was going no where. Then he get's outplayed by Brunell in the pre-season, of coarse he was facing mostly starters, while a seasoned veteran in Brunell moved the ball against the A-P bag boys, Brunell had more success but he wasen't anything remotly spectacular in the pre-season.

Then comes the Bears game, a reciever runs the wrong route and Ramsey is blamed for the INT, he then gets closed line and fumbles on a personel foul and nothing is called, after he drove the ball twice down the throats of what has become the best defense in the NFL. Enter Brunell, now everyone wants to focus on Patrick's TO's yet we are not to look at Brunells 2 TO's the very next game against the cowboys, now Gibbs allowed Brunell to redeem himself, and he did with 2 miracle throws in the last 4 minutes after being as pathetic as a QB can be for the first 56 minutes.

To bad Patrick wasen't given that same chance by Gibbs, the deck was always stacked in Brunells favor, Ramsey has been treated like the redheaded step child since Gibbs arrived.

The real killer here is Gibbs can succeed with just about anyone at QB, Rypien, Williams, and Schroeder, so it is no surprise that he is now succeeding with Brunell, who IMO is better than the 3 I just mentioned, but to say Ramsey wouldn't succeed either is nonesense, Ramsey IMO is better than those 3 as well, and would be enjoying the same kind of success that Brunell is now, he has not had a real opportunity to prove himself PERIOD! If you want to believe that he won't succeed if given a fair chance [you know like Brunell recieved all last season] then fine, but to say he's already failed is nonesense.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Absolutly! Parcells was dead on with that one. And as far as talent evaluation when it comes to QB's, he passed on Delhome because he didn't believe he was worth an extra million which Delhome recieved from Carolina, only to winde up with the million dollar arm, and the ten cent brain in Bledsoe for his QB, nice job Bill!

As far as Ramsey is concerned, nobody here has seen him in a legitamate offense in the NFL, all he did was run for his life when SS was here, and he threw it extremly well under SS whenever he wasen't being lambasted by a defender after 3 step's. He then played some last season in a Gibbs offense that was going no where. Then he get's outplayed by Brunell in the pre-season, of coarse he was facing mostly starters, while a seasoned veteran in Brunell moved the ball against the A-P bag boys, Brunell had more success but he wasen't anything remotly spectacular in the pre-season.

Then comes the Bears game, a reciever runs the wrong route and Ramsey is blamed for the INT, he then gets closed line and fumbles on a personel foul and nothing is called, after he drove the ball twice down the throats of what has become the best defense in the NFL. Enter Brunell, now everyone wants to focus on Patrick's TO's yet we are not to look at Brunells 2 TO's the very next game against the cowboys, now Gibbs allowed Brunell to redeem himself, and he did with 2 miracle throws in the last 4 minutes after being as pathetic as a QB can be for the first 56 minutes.

To bad Patrick wasen't given that same chance by Gibbs, the deck was always stacked in Brunells favor, Ramsey has been treated like the redheaded step child since Gibbs arrived.

The real killer here is Gibbs can succeed with just about anyone at QB, Rypien, Williams, and Schroeder, so it is no surprise that he is now succeeding with Brunell, who IMO is better than the 3 I just mentioned, but to say Ramsey wouldn't succeed either is nonesense, Ramsey IMO is better than those 3 as well, and would be enjoying the same kind of success that Brunell is now, he has not had a real opportunity to prove himself PERIOD! If you want to believe that he won't succeed if given a fair chance [you know like Brunell recieved all last season] then fine, but to say he's already failed is nonesense.

WARNING: this is not a personal attack.

Easy Mr. Ramsey, Young Patricks time will come.
I must admit I am surprised that in one sentence you suggest that Gibbs made success's out of three different QB's. THAT would suggest a certain level of mastery in that area. In the next breath, you suggest Ramsey is better than Brunell and all three of the others. Do you now believe the QB master is so blind to overlook such a super talent? You CONTINUALLY confuse what may be, with WHAT IS. I believe PR has a lot of talent and will get to display it when the time is right. I know Mark Brunell has this team poised to make a Super Bowl run.
ALL the casino's in Las Vegas are built by the money of people willing to take the emotional position, rather than the objective one. It's cool to be a Ramsey homer, but is does affect your objectivity.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

WARNING: this is not a personal attack.

Easy Mr. Ramsey, Young Patricks time will come.
I must admit I am surprised that in one sentence you suggest that Gibbs made success's out of three different QB's. THAT would suggest a certain level of mastery in that area. In the next breath, you suggest Ramsey is better than Brunell and all three of the others. Do you now believe the QB master is so blind to overlook such a super talent? You CONTINUALLY confuse what may be, with WHAT IS. I believe PR has a lot of talent and will get to display it when the time is right. I know Mark Brunell has this team poised to make a Super Bowl run.
ALL the casino's in Las Vegas are built by the money of people willing to take the emotional position, rather than the objective one. It's cool to be a Ramsey homer, but is does affect your objectivity.

Probably one of the better, if not the best, balanced Ramsey v. Brunell posts I've seen.

Good Post, man.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

WARNING: this is not a personal attack.

Easy Mr. Ramsey, Young Patricks time will come.
I must admit I am surprised that in one sentence you suggest that Gibbs made success's out of three different QB's. THAT would suggest a certain level of mastery in that area. In the next breath, you suggest Ramsey is better than Brunell and all three of the others. Do you now believe the QB master is so blind to overlook such a super talent? You CONTINUALLY confuse what may be, with WHAT IS. I believe PR has a lot of talent and will get to display it when the time is right. I know Mark Brunell has this team poised to make a Super Bowl run.
ALL the casino's in Las Vegas are built by the money of people willing to take the emotional position, rather than the objective one. It's cool to be a Ramsey homer, but is does affect your objectivity.

Well he has in the past, before Theisman went down there was a lot of talk about Gibbs being to loyal to Joey T., and to be honest Theisman time had passed, Theisman was hard to watch late in his carreer, and yet he wouldn't yank him, understandably. But Gibbs had to do a major sell to get Brunell to come to DC, if you remember Brunell wasen't inthrawled to coming here because he felt he could still start, knowing Patrick was the future here, what do you think he was promised? No way Gibbs made that trade and paid that kind of money for a very possible backup! Gibbs made commitments to Brunell, Ramsey was on the outside looking in before he ever met Gibbs. Gibbs has no ties to Ramsey, and if you believe you can win with either than who would you go with? It's obvious the player who you are heavily invested in. I am not so much pro Ramsey as I am pro Skins, and with that I want to be the best we can be as a team, and that is why I back Ramsey because I have alway's felt he would make us better as a team than Brunell.

The fact is I am not a homer in any sense of the word, that is what allows my objectivity, homers agree with anything and everything their team does, they join forces with every decision made within the organization, if Gibbs say's this, or that, that's it do not question it, nobody is perfect, or right all the time, and that includes Gibbs, AND MYSELF as well.

The point I am trying to make which is my opinion, is that Gibbs was under a lot of heat to make Brunell pan out, he spent 43 mil, of Snyders money and gave up a #2 pick, for a QB who would have been released and signed for a backup roll and paid accordingly, one of the reasons we gave up a #2 was because Gibbs didn't want Brunell to hit free agency knowing Brunell didn't want to come here, Brunell on his own would be looking to try and start somewhere's else.

Last season is a big example of Gibbs loyalty to brunell, there isn't a member here who didn't want Brunells head last season, and probably every last person here wanted Ramsey, yet Gibbs stuck with the guy no matter how bad it got, and it got bad, so bad Gibbs finally made the switch, now either Brunell was hurt and Gibbs played him anyway, or Gibbs offense was just flat out lame? Either way Brunell was as horrible at the QB position last season as I probably have ever seen.

Now I don't have a problem with Gibbs making it work with Brunell, in fact I am very glad we are finally on the right track, I just feel and will alway's feel until Ramsey proves otherwise, that he's a better fit for a Gibbs offense, and for our team, and feel he was treated unfairly. But I also have alway's felt the bigger issue wasen't the QB's inability to play the position, but Gibbs inability to run the offense, that seems to have been rectified, and as Brunell has become better, so do I believe Ramsey would have blossomed as well.

But it's water under the bridge now, and I will be routing for Brunell big time to succeed tommorow.

QB controversies are for the off-season, this is playoff time!