Post Draft: Who do you want at WR2 / X Receiver?

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

There's nothing saying Burks can't resurrect his career but I doubt it. For me the WR room will likely look like this (keeping 6 because of ST's):

McLaurin
Williams
McCafferey
Jefferson
Lane

With possibly Aiyuk as #2 or 3 if they want him/he can produce, else Brown or Burks bringing up the rear. Deebo at a push (I do like him), but I think he's going to decline rapidly and everyone else on that list is a headcase, too old or both.

Sadly, I agree with your roster list.
Excluding outside help, if we roll with this we are asking for trouble.

I would argue the difference between a double digit loss team and a double digit win team depends on WR2. If we don't get additional help, enjoy a sad Thanksgiving again.

Of the outsiders list: the only ones I see making a strong difference:
1. Stephon Diggs (he is good, yet troubled)
2. Brandon Aiyuk (he was good, yet confused, but unavailable perhaps til Sept)

If we want to make the playoffs, we MUST sign one.
I hope I am wrong, but with our schedule, an average defense we must average 25 points plus a game, consistsantly, likely with 1 or two fewer drives this year.
Clutch receivers are needed when you slow down the game, run and do play action.
BTW, old farts can definitely get open with play action.

We cannot roll with what we currently have and be successful in my opinion

[MTK]

Let's not forget about Chig Okonkwo, I think we can pencil him in for 60+ catches. Also JD made an average cast outside of Terry look pretty good in his rookie year. Ultimately they're not done, when Aiyuk becomes available it just makes too much sense not to take a shot on him.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by MTK

Let's not forget about Chig Okonkwo, I think we can pencil him in for 60+ catches. Also JD made an average cast outside of Terry look pretty good in his rookie year. Ultimately they're not done, when Aiyuk becomes available it just makes too much sense not to take a shot on him.

Good point on Chig, but he is just replacing Ertz.

If u look at 2024, we had 2 guys in Zacheus and Noah Brown who were historically 500nyard guys, and they ended up being our guys. The current roster has no one who has hit that mark once, except Jefferson one time years ago. That is my concern.
Plus we also had BRob in his prime and Eckler who was great. I am not sure we have adequately replaced any of these regardless of bar level. Where we are stronger is the online, except center. And Terry is 2 years older post injury too. We are at best the same level as then when we needed 6 miraculous comebacks winning by a point or two and frankly often chucking it up for grabs. Of course we had fun and most knew it was not sustainable. I remember we hadn't beaten a team with a winning record until after the Kliff Cliff, when Jayden made the world turn into candyland for a couple months of magical bliss.

We all drank the kool aid, the team ignored the pass rush problem, and didn't really do much other than speculate on reclamation projects of ex 49ers. I mean, I liked what Deebo did, I love Tunsil, and they did try at CB and missed, but the edge and WR situation got out of hand quickly. Plus every year a new need arises, which was lbs, and safety declined too.
So I am quite happy they focused on line and front 7 and middle first, but we definitely need a WR who is someone other than a 200 yard guy, which is all we have except Terry and maybe our draft pick who needs to learn how to catch his first NFL pass against crazy NFL disguised defenses.

So Peters is probably hoping to get lucky with another 500 yard castoff or two and pray Jayden and Terry NEVER get hurt.

I personally have never seen a magical year like 2024 before and taking the same approach trying to duplicated it may take another 50 years, because that's how long I've been watching this team. Miracles generally cannot be duplicates.

Talent wins in the NFL, without it, even HOF coaches lose, look at Belechek, and even Gibbs 2.0. Even Gibbs who could get 3 more wins out of an lame team cannot win consistsantly to overcome a limited roster with only one or two weapons that can be isolated.

I do believe we need a legit NFL starter opposite Terry
Whether that is Deebo again or Jennings or Diggs or a functional Aiyuk. We need more than a 2024 Noah Brown out there. Slot is easy, we have a ton.
I just don't see anyone other than our rookie as having top upside, and for the first month, he should be slot in space. We need someone who can beat man outside, who has done it from game one, and that may disqualify Aiyuk due to 49er pettiness or his unknown football shape

So yeah, Diggs, get him, or trade for someone soon. I see Jennings as choice 2 and Deebo as #3 from the outside

[MTK]

Chig is a far different style of TE than Ertz though. He can get down the field where Ertz was just an underneath dump off target.

[MTK]

Jennings to the Vikings on a one year deal

[AnonEmouse]

I'm actually kinda glad he's signed elsewhere. I mean would he have been a bad signing here? Maybe not, but neither would he have been a great signing and $13M isn't chicken feed for at best a #2 WR. I'm left thinking they must be weighing up Diggs as a possibility but they're still more interested in Aiyuk. Risks with both.

[skinsnut]

I'm not buying the Chig is the solution to our lack of legit #2 problem.
At best he is better than Ertz, which is a tall ask but likely. Yes he can attack the deep middle which is nice, but so can any slot guy, so they'd be splitting catches there. The problem occurs is there is no threat outside the numbers and particularly deep outside the numbers. Otherwise, you just shift support towards Terry and cover the middle zone and thin out extra support on the opposite side by just covering the Z guy with man, like every play. If our current 2 cannot beat man, and this is arguably a legit concern, one side of the field is shut down by a single defender, unless we flood that side with motion and stacks, which to me is a backup plan. Can you win that way? Yes, but it's more 3 yards at a time Deebo style. And if that's the case, why not just bring back Deebo. The fact that they haven't shows there intent is NOT to start the season without some sort of one on one beater opposite Terry. There is frankly no one available who can do that with any confidence other than Diggs.
Aiyuk may be a flabby shell of himself as far as we know and Deebo could arguably be replaced with our big #5/6 guy, Treylon Burks.

I say, get Diggs, let the Aiyuk thing go at this point, one head case is enough, but Diggs can produce, we know that for a fact, plus he's available without trade cost, which is rare for a 1000 yard guy. I bet he cost 15M though, but that is still cheaper than Deebo last year who we traded a pick for.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I'm not buying the Chig is the solution to our lack of legit #2 problem.
At best he is better than Ertz, which is a tall ask but likely. Yes he can attack the deep middle which is nice, but so can any slot guy, so they'd be splitting catches there. The problem occurs is there is no threat outside the numbers and particularly deep outside the numbers. Otherwise, you just shift support towards Terry and cover the middle zone and thin out extra support on the opposite side by just covering the Z guy with man, like every play. If our current 2 cannot beat man, and this is arguably a legit concern, one side of the field is shut down by a single defender, unless we flood that side with motion and stacks, which to me is a backup plan. Can you win that way? Yes, but it's more 3 yards at a time Deebo style. And if that's the case, why not just bring back Deebo. The fact that they haven't shows there intent is NOT to start the season without some sort of one on one beater opposite Terry. There is frankly no one available who can do that with any confidence other than Diggs.
Aiyuk may be a flabby shell of himself as far as we know and Deebo could arguably be replaced with our big #5/6 guy, Treylon Burks.

I say, get Diggs, let the Aiyuk thing go at this point, one head case is enough, but Diggs can produce, we know that for a fact, plus he's available without trade cost, which is rare for a 1000 yard guy. I bet he cost 15M though, but that is still cheaper than Deebo last year who we traded a pick for.

I was never trying to say Chig is a solution to the #2 WR issue just that he’s a legit down the field target that brings something that Ertz lacked.

[WCommandersfan99]

Diggs is highly intriguing. He flat out produces and him, McLuarin, and Williams could work. Interested to see if the FO gives him a look considering his off the field issues. 7 1,000 yd seasons already and should have a few years left. Where he lands should be interesting.

[calia]

"Run without farting" -- LOL. I love where these conversations take us.

Look, I totally get the idea to have a proven WR2, and one would think that a must for any team headed into the season. We don't definitely have that person -- but we might, that's all I am saying. And all of the other folks involve some meaningful risk, either because of age, injury, off the fields stuff, or, in the case of Aiyuk, all 3.

[GridIron26]

Yeah I think none of us would deny that the #2 WR is a significant need for us that still hasn't been resolved yet.

Although we need to acknowledge the situation the team is in - there weren't ample of opportunities for us to find one. It turned out that we did make efforts to sign Alec Pierce before he resigned with Colts (I apologize to whoever said that we did try when the FA opened but I didn't believe it). They also tried to sign Doubs before he decided to sign with Patriots. They did draft Williams, who supposedly is NFL ready. The cards simply aren't there and AP did the right thing by not trying to force it, or otherwise we likely would have to give up future capitals. The Chig signing definitely will help as he will force the defense to pay attention to him on all plays.

I agree with Matty - I think it's going to turn into a committee thing this year. We will be screwed if McLaurin misses some games tho.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Yeah I think none of us would deny that the #2 WR is a significant need for us that still hasn't been resolved yet.

Although we need to acknowledge the situation the team is in - there weren't ample of opportunities for us to find one. It turned out that we did make efforts to sign Alec Pierce before he resigned with Colts (I apologize to whoever said that we did try when the FA opened but I didn't believe it). They also tried to sign Doubs before he decided to sign with Patriots. They did draft Williams, who supposedly is NFL ready. The cards simply aren't there and AP did the right thing by not trying to force it, or otherwise we likely would have to give up future capitals. The Chig signing definitely will help as he will force the defense to pay attention to him on all plays.

I agree with Matty - I think it's going to turn into a committee thing this year. We will be screwed if McLaurin misses some games tho.

If it's a committee, we need a better one, one with someone more established and dependable, perhaps DeAndre Hopkins (33) as a Noah Brown type, or an expensive vet cut on a team that drafted WR high?
Anyone know who would be a possible camp cut due to a abundance of WRs?
I am thinking that is plan D if we don't get Diggs or Aiyuk before preseason..
There is no way in my eyes we don't add another potential 500 yard guy prior to game one.

Ideally it should be by OTAs, or latest training camp, but it seems Aiyuk won't be released until Sept 1, which means we have to go another direction. I heard a prognosticator predict a June 9th release date for Aiyuk, likely based on his magic 8 ball.
I would sign Diggs now, Hopkins now, Aiyuk on Sept 1, the cut/trade Hopkins Sept 1.
All are better than our #3 guys. Don't worry, all our young guys will play the full preseason.
But at least we could have Hopkins on the roster awaiting Aiyuk. Hell, I may not even want Aiyuk at that point if we have the other 2.
And for everyone saying we'd be too old, we could rotate them to keep them fresh.
Crazy idea, but one that would certainly improve the teams chances of making the playoffs vs hoping we can win an extra 3 games by Jayden running all over the place dodging the dreaded redskins QB broken leg curse

[skinsnut]

Here is my crazy "get em all" old guy WR depth chart:

WR 1 x
Terry McClaurin
DeAndre Hopkins (3M?)

WR 2 z
Brandon Aiyuk (7M?)
Luke McCafferty

WR 3 slot
Stefon Diggs (15M?)
Antonio Williams

Trade:
Jalen Lane (6th rounder) or keep if Hopkins is a late cut or some old guy is on injured reserve

Cut:
Van Jefferson (practice squad)
Dyami Brown (practice squad)
Traylon Burks (practice squad)

[calia]

I agree. That’s crazy.


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[Brummie Brave]

Originally Posted by calia

I agree. That’s crazy.


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