How bout it Lavar

[SmootSmack]

He did have that big INT, but he also had another silly offsides penalty on 3rd and 5 extending a drive for the Bucs. He's got to get more disciplined there

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

He did have that big INT, but he also had another silly offsides penalty on 3rd and 5 extending a drive for the Bucs. He's got to get more disciplined there

did ya ever play footall and get excited.... your looking for things to pick it was a 5 yard penalty big deal...... he also led the team in tackles and he was all over the field ..... so whatever with the silly penalty it wasnt that big of a deal

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

did ya ever play footall and get excited.... your looking for things to pick it was a 5 yard penalty big deal...... he also led the team in tackles and he was all over the field ..... so whatever with the silly penalty it wasnt that big of a deal

NO - it was a big deal. That's the point. Lavar makes a great play followed by a bonehead play. Fortunately the defense stepped up and covered for him giving away a crucial first down. Sorry - if he gets recognition for the good stuff then fess up and admit that the was a classic dumb Lavar mistake.

Again, MW is hyped every f***ing play - When was the last time you saw him jump offsides?

To win at the highest level it takes everybody doing all the little things right. No freebies for the other team. That's what Gibbs has been preaching, that's what the majority of the players seem to understand and that's why we are in the playoffs.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

NO - it was a big deal. That's the point. Lavar makes a great play followed by a bonehead play. Fortunately the defense stepped up and covered for him giving away a crucial first down. Sorry - if he gets recognition for the good stuff then fess up and admit that the was a classic dumb Lavar mistake.

Why is it the in thing to do, to point out a penalty on LaVar and use it as an excuse to sh-t on him? Moss had two illegal motion penalties called on him today, but I haven't heard one person call him "boneheaded". LaVar had a great game, and made a game changing play, but it's still not enough for some of you. I don't get it.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Why is it the in thing to do, to point out a penalty on LaVar and use it as an excuse to sh-t on him? Moss had two illegal motion penalties called on him today, but I haven't heard one person call him "boneheaded". LaVar had a great game, and made a game changing play, but it's still not enough for some of you. I don't get it.

It's this simple, when Lavar comes remotly close to playing on defense, as Moss play's on offense, he will be cut some slack, but I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

It's this simple, when Lavar comes remotly close to playing on defense, as Moss play's on offense, he will be cut some slack, but I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

Don't know if it will never happen. But I agree that you can rely on Arrington quite the same way you can with Moss. Plus LA brings a lot of the scrutiny on himself with his constant complaints to the media of "Why am I not playing? What have I done wrong? Just let me play?" etc.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Why is it the in thing to do, to point out a penalty on LaVar and use it as an excuse to sh-t on him? Moss had two illegal motion penalties called on him today, but I haven't heard one person call him "boneheaded". LaVar had a great game, and made a game changing play, but it's still not enough for some of you. I don't get it.

I pointed it out b/c it was a mental lapse at a critical time. Something LaVar has a history of doing. Yes, he makes great plays - he also makes costly gamebreaker types. All penalties are bad - but Lavar's offsides was akin to the Rabach's holding call in the Oakland rather then to a "run of the mill" penalty in that both the offsides and the holding call had a direct effect on the ability of hte team to stop/continue a drive.

I will say it again. I like Lavar - always have. I just think that when every one of his coaches (save Marty who really liked him) has had issues with his on field discipline - I think their might be something to it. I hope he can stay and really come into his own on this defense. I KNOW GW thought LaVAr could be something special when GW first got here - I saw GW's response with my own eyes when someone asked Gibbs how he would generate a pash rush. He believed in LA but, after seeing him play and practice - is a bit wary.

BTW - I was watching highlights of the game - guess who's name kept popping up: Marcus Washington. He was all over the field.

Let me hear just one Lavar worshipper say that Marcus was the man this week AND the better LB and then I will stop dismissing your arguments as mindless hero worship.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

BTW - I was watching highlights of the game - guess who's name kept popping up: Marcus Washington. He was all over the field.

Let me hear just one Lavar worshipper say that Marcus was the man this week AND the better LB and then I will stop dismissing your arguments as mindless hero worship.

For starters, watching highlights and basing your "MVP honors" on how often a name comes up is about as weak as it gets. John Gruden and Chris Simms' names kept coming up so often I thought the three guys in the booth wanted to strip naked and take a bubble bath with them. If you're gonna base your props off how much a player's name comes up, then I'd say the clear winners last night were John Gruden and Chris Simms...oh wait, they lost, nevermind.

I suppose you could say I'm a "Lavar worshipper" (not really, but I think the guy is good). I WILL gladly admit Marcus has been the man this SEASON. He rocks and I hope he has a long and prolific career with the Skins. For the GAME last night, Lavar and Marcus were DEAD EVEN.

I want to hear the "Lavar haters" admit (or at least prove otherwise) that Lavar had a game equal to Marcus'.

I really don't understand the big controversy here really. Marcus Washington is awesome - no doubt about it. Lavar WAS awesome and this season has been, what I'd call above average. Do we really have a problem with having lots of good linebackers? Or do we want to argue that Marcus Washington is the ONLY good linebacker and the others suck?

I for one and perfectly happy to have two of our LBs have an awesome game.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by mheisig

For starters, watching highlights and basing your "MVP honors" on how often a name comes up is about as weak as it gets. John Gruden and Chris Simms' names kept coming up so often I thought the three guys in the booth wanted to strip naked and take a bubble bath with them. If you're gonna base your props off how much a player's name comes up, then I'd say the clear winners last night were John Gruden and Chris Simms...oh wait, they lost, nevermind.

I suppose you could say I'm a "Lavar worshipper" (not really, but I think the guy is good). I WILL gladly admit Marcus has been the man this SEASON. He rocks and I hope he has a long and prolific career with the Skins. For the GAME last night, Lavar and Marcus were DEAD EVEN.

I want to hear the "Lavar haters" admit (or at least prove otherwise) that Lavar had a game equal to Marcus'.

I really don't understand the big controversy here really. Marcus Washington is awesome - no doubt about it. Lavar WAS awesome and this season has been, what I'd call above average. Do we really have a problem with having lots of good linebackers? Or do we want to argue that Marcus Washington is the ONLY good linebacker and the others suck?

I for one and perfectly happy to have two of our LBs have an awesome game.

First of all, I too am happy they both had great games. But, based on when and where the plays were made I give the solid edge to Washington. That's just my opionion based on my observations. Washington came up big on the 4th down stop and appeared to me to be the man on the spot at the crucial times.

I am not trying to take anything away from the good things Lavar did. But this thread started out as another "Lavar is awesome and anyone who doubts it is stupid" thread and struck me as just one more thread on looking at the world through lavar colored glasses.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I pointed it out b/c it was a mental lapse at a critical time. Something LaVar has a history of doing. Yes, he makes great plays - he also makes costly gamebreaker types. All penalties are bad - but Lavar's offsides was akin to the Rabach's holding call in the Oakland rather then to a "run of the mill" penalty in that both the offsides and the holding call had a direct effect on the ability of hte team to stop/continue a drive.

As long as we're pointing out mental mistakes, how about Marcus Washington fumbling the ball after he recovered it?

Yes, it turned out quite well for us with ST running it in for the score, but it was STILL a mistake by Washington no matter what the end result was.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by mheisig

As long as we're pointing out mental mistakes, how about Marcus Washington fumbling the ball after he recovered it?

Yes, it turned out quite well for us with ST running it in for the score, but it was STILL a mistake by Washington no matter what the end result was.

And Lavar fumbled his return and got lucky that it was called down by contact. Those weren't mental mistakes, rather good play by the tacklers.

[mcalderone10]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

NO - it was a big deal. That's the point. Lavar makes a great play followed by a bonehead play. Fortunately the defense stepped up and covered for him giving away a crucial first down. Sorry - if he gets recognition for the good stuff then fess up and admit that the was a classic dumb Lavar mistake.

Again, MW is hyped every f***ing play - When was the last time you saw him jump offsides?

To win at the highest level it takes everybody doing all the little things right. No freebies for the other team. That's what Gibbs has been preaching, that's what the majority of the players seem to understand and that's why we are in the playoffs.

you are talking like we can only keep one or the other they are BOTH BEASTS. lavar has history being one of 2 multiyear skins pro bowlers the other being samuels. like smart people have said greg williams is the genious behind the Defense stop saying MW is better he's just had more time with the GW defense remember lavar was out most of last year while marcus was playin GW way. LAVAR is just needs time he's gone through so many dif D coordinators we NEED him back this feels like its dan snyder's money paid D not the redskins D i remember with smoot champ lavar and my man Darrell Green. I love the D just gotta hold on to the same players to keep this team a team.

[skins_fan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

He did have that big INT, but he also had another silly offsides penalty on 3rd and 5 extending a drive for the Bucs. He's got to get more disciplined there

Okay,but it is not just about that one game it is about the rest of the season. He does need to be more disclepend,but he is a great player, and he helps us alot.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

He did have that big INT, but he also had another silly offsides penalty on 3rd and 5 extending a drive for the Bucs. He's got to get more disciplined there

Are you people kidding me. 5 yards, 1 time. compared to 10 tackles, int , forced fumble. you people are nit picking big time. I think we as a team played a pretty good game defensively, and you want to pick out one offside penalty? give me a break

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Are you people kidding me. 5 yards, 1 time. compared to 10 tackles, int , forced fumble. you people are nit picking big time. I think we as a team played a pretty good game defensively, and you want to pick out one offside penalty? give me a break

His five yarder let to points - it extended a drive that led to a field goal. That's why people are nit picking on that one. However, that wasn't the dumbest play of the game - The dumbest play of the game was made by Sean Taylor - getting ejected.