Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

As fas as I'm concerned, Gibbs' biggest contribution to the redskins has been on the hiring (both coaches and players) and team-building front, not in offensive strategy.

You certainly have your opinion, but I believe you need to take another look at what you said and look at this team as a whole. Gibbs' offensive strategy is a major reason why we're in the playoffs, coupled with a great defense.

[CRT3]

Well if you guys read the article apparently he is not a historian.

"Fortunately for the Redskins, who won their first playoff game since 1992, their defense was far nastier."

Well the idiot forgot we won in 1999 against Detroit at FEDEX. The last time Gibbs won was in 1992.

This guy should be told to get out of the press box cause he is doing a injustice to all journalist .

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

You certainly have your opinion, but I believe you need to take another look at what you said and look at this team as a whole. Gibbs' offensive strategy is a major reason why we're in the playoffs, coupled with a great defense.

It is one of the reasons, but I don't see it as a major reason. Putting the offense in Clinton's hands is nothing new - it is what Gibbs has always wanted to do - its no brilliant innovation to implement a run first strategy.

In the Gibbs II era, just my humble opinion, Gibbs greatest contribution has been team building (assembling character guys and getting rid of weeds) and great coaching hires (Bugel, Williams, Blache, Lindsey Musgrave etc.). If the head coach has to face the music everytime the team fails, then when the team wins - you have to give the head coach props, even if he had nothing to do with defensive strategy - that's my point and motivation for criticizing Pasta's imbalanced article.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

It is one of the reasons, but I don't see it as a major reason. Putting the offense in Clinton's hands is nothing new - it is what Gibbs has always wanted to do - its no brilliant innovation to implement a run first strategy.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see how one can discredit an offensive strategy because it's a run first strategy. It's alot tougher to be successful running the ball to move the offense downfield. If it wasn't so tough, there would be no need for a quarterback - we'd just direct snap to the running back on every play.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see how one can discredit an offensive strategy because it's a run first strategy. It's alot tougher to be successful running the ball to move the offense downfield. If it wasn't so tough, there would be no need for a quarterback - we'd just direct snap to the running back on every play.

Saying the run-first is a basic philosophy behind the Gibbs offense is in no way meant to discredit the strategy. Its just that there's nothing innovative about it a la the schemes of Greg Williams. Lest this be misunderstood, my original post is not a "why do we need Gibbs" post - that would be a Pastabelly type statement to make. My opinion is simply that Gibbs' has brought more to the redskins by way of his genius and expertise on the team building and team management front than on the innovative playcalling front.

[hooskins]

Totally off subject, but our buddy Lenny reminds me of this of the fat goofy dude from the show "Viva La Bam". Its a terrible show on MTV.....

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Totally off subject, but our buddy Lenny reminds me of this of the fat goofy dude from the show "Viva La Bam". Its a terrible show on MTV.....

Yeah, somebody posted a picture of Don Vito over at ES. I've always thought that his picture on ESPN.com looked like Vito.

[BDBohnzie]

k 1) Viva La Bam is hilarious...but since i have the sense of humor of a 15 year old adolescent male, then of course I think that.

2) Pastabelly is doing his job. He creates his opinion, then sticks by it to the end. Would you rather have your columnist who flip flops more than John Kerry, or a guy who admits he hates your team but sticks by his opinion through thick and thin?

As much as I don't like him, he creates bulletin board material and stuff for us to complain about. BTW, don't be surprised if he doesn't take a single Skins fan question tomorrow...

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Saying the run-first is a basic philosophy behind the Gibbs offense is in no way meant to discredit the strategy. Its just that there's nothing innovative about it a la the schemes of Greg Williams. Lest this be misunderstood, my original post is not a "why do we need Gibbs" post - that would be a Pastabelly type statement to make. My opinion is simply that Gibbs' has brought more to the redskins by way of his genius and expertise on the team building and team management front than on the innovative playcalling front.

Okay I can agree with that. It seemed like it was one of those "Gibbs isn't really a coach" type of statement...so yes I did misunderstand what you were saying. I will say, though, I believe once we obtain a strong compliment to Santana Moss next year (whether if it's Patten or somebody we pick up,) I believe we'll see the offensive genius that we saw back in the 80's. While the concept might seem less than innovative - the ability to run these "basic" principle plays at will, will seem innovative in itself.

[CrazyCanuck]

I have to say I really enjoyed this.

What surprised me is how serious Lenny takes himself. Why is he so sensitive?