How bout it Lavar

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Now LaVar is the reason Dan Snyder fired every coach he brought in here. Are we seriously going down that road. Dude, get real. That is rediculous.

That statement was made in conjuncture with another post that stated Lavar went through a different coordinator every year. 1 player will not make the difference for a coaches job unless he's the QB, but lets face it our defenses have been lowsey with Lavar until Williams arrived, and we had one of the best defensive seasons ever without Lavar in the lineup last season. Washington is the one who pressures the QB, he's the one who causes the fumbles, yes both he and Lavar were benfactors of tipped ball's for INT's, but the point is Lavar was easily replaced with Lamar last season, and was basically a third string LB behind Holdman and Clemons, I don't see Lavar getting after the QB like Clemons was before he was hurt.

Do you believe any other LB on our team could provide the same production and play making ability as Washington if he went down? No way! Without Lavar we haven't missed a beat, in fact you can make a case we have been better. He's a major waste of salary cap space!

Perhaps he may be better suited to step in for Wynn at the D-end position, I wouldn't mind seeing us experiemnet with that a bit on saturday.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

That statement was made in conjuncture with another post that stated Lavar went through a different coordinator every year. 1 player will not make the difference for a coaches job unless he's the QB, but lets face it our defenses have been lowsey with Lavar until Williams arrived, and we had one of the best defensive seasons ever without Lavar in the lineup last season. Washington is the one who pressures the QB, he's the one who causes the fumbles, yes both he and Lavar were benfactors of tipped ball's for INT's, but the point is Lavar was easily replaced with Lamar last season, and was basically a third string LB behind Holdman and Clemons, I don't see Lavar getting after the QB like Clemons was before he was hurt.

Do you believe any other LB on our team could provide the same production and play making ability as Washington if he went down? No way! Without Lavar we haven't missed a beat, in fact you can make a case we have been better. He's a major waste of salary cap space!

Perhaps he may be better suited to step in for Wynn at the D-end position, I wouldn't mind seeing us experiemnet with that a bit on saturday.

First lets start with you first false statement of the defense not being anygood until GW got here. Under Marty and his brother they were top 10 I believe, under Marvin 1 year they were top 5 I believe, they did drop the following year, but also I believe the year Ray Rhoades was here they pretty damn good that year. So check the stats before saying that. Yes, Washington is a beast I dont believe I ever questioned that. As far as that goes he has had a better season. And our D did play VERY good last year without LaVar, dont think I ever questioned that either. True facts about why he isn't getting after the QB is he is not rushing the passer. He may blitz here and there, but for the most part he doesn't pass rush. A couple of the times I have seen him do it, he has been effective from the stand point of making the QB move outside the pocket and force bad throws, which all of the LBs have done, even Clemons when he was healthy. Clemons has been the 3rd down pass rusher because he was or is quicker than LaVar off the snap, no arguement there. I dont understand why people are comparing the two. They are both awesome LBs, Washington has been an awesome addition to this team. If LaVar is 100% healthy and in playing shape and Washington his usual self, we could have two of the most dominant LBs in the NFL. LaVar is alot heavier than usual, but he was all last year, during preseason, and for the most part didn't play until week 6 or so. Give the guy sometime to get healthy, FULLY HEALTHY and back down to his playing weight, and at full speed before you haters start throwing him aside. Remember it took Trotter almost a year and half to get back to full speed and playing at his normal level. And the defensive end thing has been done, he registered 11 sacks the year Marvin used him as a 3rd down pass rusher. That seems to be pretty sucessful, but I just dont know if he is that effective right now. He seems to be a step slower this year and doesnt' seem to have all his strength back in his leg. But I would imagine it would be better than nobody out there.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

First lets start with you first false statement of the defense not being anygood until GW got here. Under Marty and his brother they were top 10 I believe, under Marvin 1 year they were top 5 I believe, they did drop the following year, but also I believe the year Ray Rhoades was here they pretty damn good that year. So check the stats before saying that. Yes, Washington is a beast I dont believe I ever questioned that. As far as that goes he has had a better season. And our D did play VERY good last year without LaVar, dont think I ever questioned that either. True facts about why he isn't getting after the QB is he is not rushing the passer. He may blitz here and there, but for the most part he doesn't pass rush. A couple of the times I have seen him do it, he has been effective from the stand point of making the QB move outside the pocket and force bad throws, which all of the LBs have done, even Clemons when he was healthy. Clemons has been the 3rd down pass rusher because he was or is quicker than LaVar off the snap, no arguement there. I dont understand why people are comparing the two. They are both awesome LBs, Washington has been an awesome addition to this team. If LaVar is 100% healthy and in playing shape and Washington his usual self, we could have two of the most dominant LBs in the NFL. LaVar is alot heavier than usual, but he was all last year, during preseason, and for the most part didn't play until week 6 or so. Give the guy sometime to get healthy, FULLY HEALTHY and back down to his playing weight, and at full speed before you haters start throwing him aside. Remember it took Trotter almost a year and half to get back to full speed and playing at his normal level. And the defensive end thing has been done, he registered 11 sacks the year Marvin used him as a 3rd down pass rusher. That seems to be pretty sucessful, but I just dont know if he is that effective right now. He seems to be a step slower this year and doesnt' seem to have all his strength back in his leg. But I would imagine it would be better than nobody out there.

I'll give you Marty, we were better than average. but as for Marvin, regardless of stats we were incapable of stopping teams when we had to, and that is the true mark of a good or great defense.

As for his production under Marvin? That was as a DE, not a LB, why do you think Marvin moved him to DE? Because he knew he was a liability as a LB. I think we should try and find a way to trade him back to Marty in the offseason, he may be the one guy willing to part with a draft pick for Lavar.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

I'll give you Marty, we were better than average. but as for Marvin, regardless of stats we were incapable of stopping teams when we had to, and that is the true mark of a good or great defense.

As for his production under Marvin? That was as a DE, not a LB, why do you think Marvin moved him to DE? Because he knew he was a liability as a LB. I think we should try and find a way to trade him back to Marty in the offseason, he may be the one guy willing to part with a draft pick for Lavar.

Dude, he played both positions, LB and DE. You are not helping your arguement by not knowing what the hell you are talking about. Under Marvin, the 1 year, we were top 10 maybe 5. LA went to the pro-bowl, with 11 sacks and over 100 tackles. Why did he move him to DE? because he was a beast at rushing the passer!!!. I dont even know why we are having this discussion in the first place. LaVar, Marshall, and Marcus all had one hell of a game. Why do people want to bash a guy after a good game. it makes no sence.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Dude, he played both positions, LB and DE. You are not helping your arguement by not knowing what the hell you are talking about. Under Marvin, the 1 year, we were top 10 maybe 5. LA went to the pro-bowl, with 11 sacks and over 100 tackles. Why did he move him to DE? because he was a beast at rushing the passer!!!. I dont even know why we are having this discussion in the first place. LaVar, Marshall, and Marcus all had one hell of a game. Why do people want to bash a guy after a good game. it makes no sence.

No, I do know what I am talking about, Marvin fought with Lavar over the fact that Lavar didn't want to play DE, he had 11 sacks as a DE, I will say it again you keep quoting stats, did you watch our defense under Lewis? We were incapable of stopping teams late in the game, when a team needed to put a drive together they did so, stats can be very misleading.

Lawerence Taylor was a beast of a pass rusher, let's not get carried away with this Arrington is some kind of pass rushing specialist, what does it matter if you rush from the LB position or DE on passing downs, it's more beneficial to have both, but Lavar was moved to DE because plain and simple Lewis knew he was a liability at LB.

If you have a great LB you don't make him an undersized DE, and visa versa, so there are reasons more than your willing to acknowledge as to why Lewis moved Lavar was to DE.

Lavar had 11 sacks in 1 year as a DE, and has a total of 22 for his carreer, you seem to like stats, do those stats scream pass rushing beast to you?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by offiss

No, I do know what I am talking about, Marvin fought with Lavar over the fact that Lavar didn't want to play DE, he had 11 sacks as a DE, I will say it again you keep quoting stats, did you watch our defense under Lewis? We were incapable of stopping teams late in the game, when a team needed to put a drive together they did so, stats can be very misleading.

Lawerence Taylor was a beast of a pass rusher, let's not get carried away with this Arrington is some kind of pass rushing specialist, what does it matter if you rush from the LB position or DE on passing downs, it's more beneficial to have both, but Lavar was moved to DE because plain and simple Lewis knew he was a liability at LB.

If you have a great LB you don't make him an undersized DE, and visa versa, so there are reasons more than your willing to acknowledge as to why Lewis moved Lavar was to DE.

Lavar had 11 sacks in 1 year as a DE, and has a total of 22 for his carreer, you seem to like stats, do those stats scream pass rushing beast to you?

I do not realy want to argue about this but I was curious how do you know Lewis moved Lavar to DE because he was a liability at LB?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I do not realy want to argue about this but I was curious how do you know Lewis moved Lavar to DE because he was a liability at LB?

Dont you know they are in the meetings and huddles.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I do not realy want to argue about this but I was curious how do you know Lewis moved Lavar to DE because he was a liability at LB?

http://www.webskins.org/TWT/0902/092001.html
September 20, 2002

That’s why Arrington is playing defensive end on third downs, and that’s why he’ll stay there even though he’s going through some growing pains.
“Where else is he going to play?” Lewis asked yesterday at Redskin Park. “He will not embrace the intricacies of playing coverage on third down and get that done well enough. I’ve watched that. Everybody here has lived through that.