Sean Taylor Spitting Video (merged)

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Also i htink u guys r going to far by calling this player a "thug", he spit in someones face, hes not dealing on a street corner, or for instance pooling out a gun at mickey d's. You dont know what was aid in the trash cuz the editor didnt let u hear it.

To be fair, Sean didn't brandish his piece at Mickey D's. I believe it was outside a nightclub, was it not?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by dgack

To be fair, Sean didn't brandish his piece at Mickey D's. I believe it was outside a nightclub, was it not?

no it was outside the house of the guy that stole his ATVs.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by dgack

To be fair, Sean didn't brandish his piece at Mickey D's. I believe it was outside a nightclub, was it not?

Compared to Marcus Vick, everyone looks like a saint.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by RunRunPass

ITS A FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ive been talking to lots of people about this video and the best argument ive herd so far for it being a fake is of course the obvious one. Its an NFL flim..The NFL reviewed ALL of the footage from the game and came to the Conclusion that there was no clear evidence that Taylor spit. Now i know this sounds like a streech but thing about it why would the NFL lie about what they saw? i think its a fake....i was fooled thou. its so clear in this video that he spit dont you think the NFL would have picked up on it?

What evidence do you have that the NFL concluded that "there was no clear evidence that Taylor spit"?

[wheeler]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm surprised he can get that kind of distance without cocking his head back...

he didn't spit nuthin:vomit:

[VTSkins897]

Sean Taylor pwns!!

[Luxorreb]

OH and by the way, he ain't no Marcus Vick.
He's a true baller.
Vick jr is the ultimate 'pretender'!
Sorry Tech fans, but Marcus is no Michael and well Michael isn't in the playoffs...

[FRPLG]

I love the other ref saying "are you sure Mike?" when Carey said he wouldn't throw a penalty on Pittman. Seemed to me like he thought there ought to be a penalty on both guys. As I have said before there SHOULD have been a penalty on both. retaliation is not allowed whether the ref thinks it was justified or not. If the league rule is to eject someone for spitting that is a bs rule. If it was Mike Carey deciding it was ejection worthy then he has some serious thinking to do about the game he officiates. Saying it is ok to throw a punch right in front of a ref but it is not ok to spit is a real slippery slope.

Now the question is how the hell doesn't the spit show up on the other angle. That is crazy because it is 100% clear in theat angle. Sorta weird. I was convinced he hadn't spit.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yeah. I think it's weird too. Like that is a HUGE wad of spit.

[MTK]

I think from the original angle you can't see the spit because it falls to the ground pretty quickly right in front of ST, so his body blocked out the view of the spit.

I don't understand why people are so hung up on Pittman not getting a penalty. Even if Pittman got a penalty, ST was still kicked out and that was the part of this whole thing that really could have hurt us.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think from the original angle you can't see the spit because it falls to the ground pretty quickly right in front of ST, so his body blocked out the view of the spit.

I don't understand why people are so hung up on Pittman not getting a penalty. Even if Pittman got a penalty, ST was still kicked out and that was the part of this whole thing that really could have hurt us.

Because it's the only thing left we can get hung up on.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think from the original angle you can't see the spit because it falls to the ground pretty quickly right in front of ST, so his body blocked out the view of the spit.

I don't understand why people are so hung up on Pittman not getting a penalty. Even if Pittman got a penalty, ST was still kicked out and that was the part of this whole thing that really could have hurt us.

Well I don't think one ought to be kicked out of a game for it. I just personally don't think it is that bad. Because of that it pisses me off that a guy like Sean Taylor gets punished but the other equally wrong player doesn't. I don't think Pittman should get kicked out for his role but I do think it is incumbent upon the refs to call games fairly and obey the rules. The video proving he spit did two things. It proved to me he spit and it proved to me that Mike Carey made an arbitrary decision that one thing was worse than the other. So much worse in fact that apparently breaking the rules directly in front on a ref was ok. What that does is it allows everyone to globaly castiagte Taylor and it lets Pittman off scott free both in the game and ultimately the media. That changes perceptions of the incident and perceptions of Taylor that affect how he is treated during games. Now he gets watched more closely and all of a sudden maybe that perfectly timed hit gets a penalty or something like that. It puts Taylor unfairly in the cross hairs for something that was really basically harmless. If both guys get penalties the situation gets dissolved more benignly and none of us are having this discussion I think. Offsetting penalties get talked about for three seconds on the broadcast and they move on. I am sure we can all agree that the penalty was called for but the ejection seemed awful quick and uncalled for. It makes one wonder why Taylor was held to a higher standard?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Well I don't think one ought to be kicked out of a game for it. I just personally don't think it is that bad. Because of that it pisses me off that a guy like Sean Taylor gets punished but the other equally wrong player doesn't. I don't think Pittman should get kicked out for his role but I do think it is incumbent upon the refs to call games fairly and obey the rules. The video proving he spit did two things. It proved to me he spit and it proved to me that Mike Carey made an arbitrary decision that one thing was worse than the other. So much worse in fact that apparently breaking the rules directly in front on a ref was ok. What that does is it allows everyone to globaly castiagte Taylor and it lets Pittman off scott free both in the game and ultimately the media. That changes perceptions of the incident and perceptions of Taylor that affect how he is treated during games. Now he gets watched more closely and all of a sudden maybe that perfectly timed hit gets a penalty or something like that. It puts Taylor unfairly in the cross hairs for something that was really basically harmless. If both guys get penalties the situation gets dissolved more benignly and none of us are having this discussion I think. Offsetting penalties get talked about for three seconds on the broadcast and they move on. I am sure we can all agree that the penalty was called for but the ejection seemed awful quick and uncalled for. It makes one wonder why Taylor was held to a higher standard?

I agree with FRPLG. Nobody on this site has been able to rationalize why spitting should be considered worse than throwing a punch. The reason for that is it can't be rationalized. One act is gross. The other act hurts.

Carey acted rashly in deciding to eject Taylor and not punish Pittman whatsoever. Carey saw the spit, was appalled, and reacted immediately by throwing the flag and ejecting Taylor on the spot. He did not discuss things with his crew, he did not take any time to think about how to punish both parties fairly, he just acted as soon as he saw the spit. The punishment didn't fit the crime because Carey's reaction was partially driven by his disgust.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I agree with FRPLG. Nobody on this site has been able to rationalize why spitting should be considered worse than throwing a punch. The reason for that is it can't be rationalized. One act is gross. The other act hurts.

Carey acted rashly in deciding to eject Taylor and not punish Pittman whatsoever. Carey saw the spit, was appalled, and reacted immediately by throwing the flag and ejecting Taylor on the spot. He did not discuss things with his crew, he did not take any time to think about how to punish both parties fairly, he just acted as soon as he saw the spit. The punishment didn't fit the crime because Carey's reaction was partially driven by his disgust.

In my book, spitting is worse than throwing a punch because it's such a total lack of class and sportsmanship.

In the heat of the battle, punches will fly on occassion and to me that's much more understandable than someone resorting to the punk-ass action of spitting at someone.

I can still respect someone who gets heated and throws a punch. But someone who spits I just lose all respect for.

Now don't get me wrong, I still think ST is a heck of a player and I'd rather have him on our side, but in the end he's a punk with alot of growing up to do. He could have cost his team the game, and that's a very selfish and immature thing to do.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

In my book, spitting is worse than throwing a punch because it's such a total lack of class and sportsmanship.

In the heat of the battle, punches will fly on occassion and to me that's much more understandable than someone resorting to the punk-ass action of spitting at someone.

I can still respect someone who gets heated and throws a punch. But someone who spits I just lose all respect for.

Now don't get me wrong, I still think ST is a heck of a player and I'd rather have him on our side, but in the end he's a punk with alot of growing up to do. He could have cost his team the game, and that's a very selfish and immature thing to do.

Unbelievable. Guess what Matty, your personal beliefs regarding spitting vs punching are very inconsistent with UNITED STATES LAW. You punch someone, that's Assault & Battery. You spit on someone, that's Assault.

Get off your high horse, man. It's ridiculous. Your respect for somebody should have NOTHING to do with how punishments are levied. Nor should Mike Carey's respect. Punishments should not be decided by the amount of respect lost by the self-righteous.