Sean Taylor Spitting Video (merged)

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Kinda funny how someone was just telling me to get off my high horse and saying how my opinion was based on emotion and was ridiculous.

I didn't get my feelings hurt, if that's what you're implying. It's not an emotional issue for me, but because you have shown a tendency to be judgmental in this thread, I think it speaks to why you can't look at the spitting situation objectively, and I think it affects your credibility a bit.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I didn't get my feelings hurt, if that's what you're implying. It's not an emotional issue for me, but because you have shown a tendency to be judgmental in this thread, I think it speaks to why you can't look at the spitting situation objectively, and I think it affects your credibility a bit.

My view that spitting is a more heinous act than throwing a punch is my objective opinion. I thought the same exact way when Romo did it, and I feel the same way now that one of our guys is guilty of the same thing. Despite what you may think my opinion is not based on emotion and I don't see how I'm passing judgement by holding this opinion. You're telling me my view is ridiculous and based on emotion, so who's the one passing judgement??

You feel that spitting and punching should be treated the same... despite the fact a few people have layed out a couple of good posts as to why they aren't treated the same way in our society. It's not the black and white issue that you want it to be and frankly I'm surprised you seem to have such a narrow view of things, considering how open minded you usually are.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

My view that spitting is a more heinous act than throwing a punch is my objective opinion. I thought the same exact way when Romo did it, and I feel the same way now that one of our guys is guilty of the same thing. Despite what you may think my opinion is not based on emotion and I don't see how I'm passing judgement by holding this opinion. You're telling me my view is ridiculous and based on emotion, so who's the one passing judgement??

You feel that spitting and punching should be treated the same... despite the fact a few people have layed out a couple of good posts as to why they aren't treated the same way in our society. It's not the black and white issue that you want it to be and frankly I'm surprised you seem to have such a narrow view of things, considering how open minded you usually are.

I guess you touched on the fundamental difference in our arguments, it's probably the difference that is at the heart of our disagreement.

I personally don't feel that society's unspoken rules should have any place on the football field, or in the courtroom. These unspoken rules are usually driven by the way people feel about things. If people could rationalize these feelings, these rules would not need to go unspoken, they could be written down as laws or as rules in the NFL rulebook. But people have a hard time rationalizing why these unspoken rules are in place, and thus, remain as unwritten social norms and mores.

You seem to feel like these rules are applicable. I personally can't understand how applying rules based on feelings is objective, but this is the kind of thing we're never going to agree on, so we might as well agree to disagree. We'll never get anywhere with a fundamental disagreement like this one. It may have gotten animated, but you should know that I enjoyed the discussion because I found it stimulating.

Luckily, Taylor's ejection did not hurt the Redskins since they still won, and ultimately the team is what I care about most, and I think you will agree with me on that one. No matter how gross that loogie was, we've both said we still want him on the Skins, despite that act. And I guess that's the only common ground we can come to on a dispute like this. But luckily, it's the common ground that really matters.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I guess you touched on the fundamental difference in our arguments, it's probably the difference that is at the heart of our disagreement.

I personally don't feel that society's unspoken rules should have any place on the football field, or in the courtroom. These unspoken rules are usually driven by the way people feel about things. If people could rationalize these feelings, these rules would not need to go unspoken, they could be written down as laws or as rules in the NFL rulebook. But people have a hard time rationalizing why these unspoken rules are in place, and thus, remain as unwritten social norms and mores.

You seem to feel like these rules are applicable. I personally can't understand how applying rules based on feelings is objective, but this is the kind of thing we're never going to agree on, so we might as well agree to disagree. We'll never get anywhere with a fundamental disagreement like this one. It may have gotten animated, but you should know that I enjoyed the discussion because I found it stimulating.

Luckily, Taylor's ejection did not hurt the Redskins since they still won, and ultimately the team is what I care about most, and I think you will agree with me on that one. No matter how gross that loogie was, we've both said we still want him on the Skins, despite that act. And I guess that's the only common ground we can come to on a dispute like this. But luckily, it's the common ground that really matters.

Let's save the discussion of the need and importance of social norms for another day.

At least we got to the heart of the matter while staying relatively civil.

I still think you're a homer!

j/k

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Let's save the discussion of the need and importance of social norms for another day.

At least we got to the heart of the matter while staying relatively civil.

I still think you're a homer!

j/k

LOL. Don't get me wrong, I'd be VERY happy if Roy Williams got ejected for spitting on Ladell Betts. But I wouldn't agree with the call.

In the Taylor case, I was both VERY unhappy and in disagreement at the same time. Which made for a very angry Schneed10.

(When he was ejected, my wife decided my outburst was the last straw in a series of very animated outbursts, and she went out to get a bite to eat. My dog simultaneously ran to her cage in fear. I had to console the dog for a good 30 minutes after the game to convince her that I wasn't upset at her LOL)