Will Arrington take a pay cut? (MERGED)

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

He's got a lot of talent, I just don't think you can count on the guy. He's not dependable. He'll say one thing, and do another. He'll overpursue and won't be where you need him to be. I think that's the quality he lacks most: dependability. And a superstar on D, making a ton of money, needs to be dependable at the very least.

I'm sick of people making comments like "he overpursues, is too aggressive, and isn't where he's supposes to be" like all the problems with the defense are LaVars fault. If every player were where they supposed to be 100% of the time, then no opponent would score any points against Washington. When was the last time they blanked somebody?

But realistically, LaVar is done as a Redskin. I've said this before; when has the Washington front office ever cared about taking a huge cat hit? And even if he was willing to restructure, he would still be gone. Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. Even further down the road, it's going to happen to Samuels, Portis, and Taylor once they're all used up, and most of you will hate on them too. That's how we do it in Washington.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I'm sick of people making comments like "he overpursues, is too aggressive, and isn't where he's supposes to be" like all the problems with the defense are LaVars fault. If every player were where they supposed to be 100% of the time, then no opponent would score any points against Washington. When was the last time they blanked somebody?

But realistically, LaVar is done as a Redskin. I've said this before; when has the Washington front office ever cared about taking a huge cat hit? And even if he was willing to restructure, he would still be gone. Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. Even further down the road, it's going to happen to Samuels, Portis, and Taylor once they're all used up, and most of you will hate on them too. That's how we do it in Washington.

The logic of the first paragraph makes zero sense at all. Not all the problems of the D are Lavar's fault. The bottom line is that playing him means the risk of letting up a big play is too high to justify his massive contract. The guy is taken out on 3rd downs for crying out loud, the down in which the offense is most likely to drop back and pass, playing right into Lavar's supposed strength. Supposedly, he's a great pass rusher, but Williams won't even put him on the field to use that talent. Doesn't that tell you volumes about how Lavar can't be trusted??

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The logic of the first paragraph makes zero sense at all. Not all the problems of the D are Lavar's fault. The bottom line is that playing him means the risk of letting up a big play is too high to justify his massive contract. The guy is taken out on 3rd downs for crying out loud, the down in which the offense is most likely to drop back and pass, playing right into Lavar's supposed strength. Supposedly, he's a great pass rusher, but Williams won't even put him on the field to use that talent. Doesn't that tell you volumes about how Lavar can't be trusted??

Makes no sense? So all of those times that LaVar is out on third down, no big plays occur? Actually, those are the exact times that the big plays tend to happen. If LaVar is such a liability when he's on the field, who's having the finger pointed at them when they give up a big play with him off the field? Who was to blame when when it was 3rd and 2, Maurice Morris got the ball and ran right at Warrick Holdman, who got blocked out of his shoes? Who was to blame on the 3rd and short at the end of the game, when Mac Strong got the longest run of his career, running on the beloved Marcus Washingtons' side?

All of this is a moot point anyway, since LaVar is gone before next season. I'm just tired of LaVar being the only person having a finger pointed at him for giving up a big play, when they all do it.

[gusbus]

You can't tell me 10 tackles, 1 pick, and 1 forced fumble in the TB game and then knocking the NFL MVP out is due to being a bad player. LA is an incredible athlete and also you don't hear about him in the papers for beating his wife, driving drunk or smoking a little mj. He has been a great redskin and should remain a skin b/c he can still help this team win.

All that being said I think he is done. He isn't going to be traded b/c teams know how big of a cap hit he is and what type of bonus he is due. Teams will wait to see if he is dropped and then try to pick him up for cheaper and not get rid a playmaker or draft slot.

Ramsey on the other hand will probably get traded for some 3rd round pick. Like someone said their are a lot of teams (NO - his home team, Detroit - quality around him, Oakland - again decent talent) with changes being made that may take him.Then they will package their two 3rd round picks to move up some how.

[Skins fan 44]

I would think Lavar would have to approve a trade. If he means what he says about only playing for the Skins and retire if not then we will have to cut him. Maybe just maybe he might take a cut in pay. I mean if Joe Gibbs comes up to you and ask (sweet talks) to take a pay cut and all, I think he would stay.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Makes no sense? So all of those times that LaVar is out on third down, no big plays occur? Actually, those are the exact times that the big plays tend to happen. If LaVar is such a liability when he's on the field, who's having the finger pointed at them when they give up a big play with him off the field? Who was to blame when when it was 3rd and 2, Maurice Morris got the ball and ran right at Warrick Holdman, who got blocked out of his shoes? Who was to blame on the 3rd and short at the end of the game, when Mac Strong got the longest run of his career, running on the beloved Marcus Washingtons' side?

All of this is a moot point anyway, since LaVar is gone before next season. I'm just tired of LaVar being the only person having a finger pointed at him for giving up a big play, when they all do it.

The thing is they don't get paid the money LaVar get's paid. When you're paid as handsomely as he is you should have no problem getting on the field, or determining what your role is on the team. Defensive players that are paid LaVar price are game changers that make game changing plays every game, not just sometime. They are going to be on the field without argument and play the position the way it should be played. If LaVar, the way he plays can command his salry. I would sure love to see how much Lawrence Taylor could command if he was playing today. For what LaVar is being paid he should be turning in LT type games though I don't suspect he could ever come close. I can remember when there was no way any team would ever consider playing a defensive player that much money. An athletic player he may be, but the playmaking for the money is just not there, sorry.

I would be willing to bet Joe Gibbs wishes LaVar was a shadow of LT because he was the real reason why we had so much trouble beating the Giants during his first tenure. LT was a game changer.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey.

Not really a fair list considering that Davis was washed up (sorry, but the fact that Carolina needs 4 startable RB's on the roster is proof that Davis just can't play anymore), and Bailey got us Portis.

Smoot and Pierce were players I wish we could have kept but considering the difficulties both have faced this season (one couldn't stay out of trouble off the field, the other had a hard time staying on it), I don't feel that we got burned.

Ramsey? *Shrug*. My feeling on Ramsey has always been that he's not as bad as some people make him out to be, but he's nothing special. Maybe he goes somewhere else and becomes the next Trent Green and we kick ourselves for not sticking with him. But I'll wager there's a lot more chance he goes somewhere else and turns into the next Heath Shuler.

As for Lavar, he is done here. Lavar likes to think he is smarter than everyone else, and all this talk about how much he loves it here is designed to get the fans on his side and (he thinks) improve his leverage. He's played well in several games this year, but I think it was too little, too late, and this IS a business. He simply isn't worth the amount of money he's due for what we're getting out of him.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I'm sick of people making comments like "he overpursues, is too aggressive, and isn't where he's supposes to be" like all the problems with the defense are LaVars fault. If every player were where they supposed to be 100% of the time, then no opponent would score any points against Washington. When was the last time they blanked somebody?

But realistically, LaVar is done as a Redskin. I've said this before; when has the Washington front office ever cared about taking a huge cat hit? And even if he was willing to restructure, he would still be gone. Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. Even further down the road, it's going to happen to Samuels, Portis, and Taylor once they're all used up, and most of you will hate on them too. That's how we do it in Washington.

Sadly to say it's not personal. The same thing happens to other players around the league when their cap figure becomes too high. So don't make it seem like the Redskins are any different from the rest of the league. The lesson that needs to be learned is not to sign players to that kind of contract when you know full well you have no intentions of honoring it just to get them to play for a few years and then be gone. Too much to pay one player and not win a championship. Remember, LaVar is also due a roster bonus of 6.(something) so when it comes to restructering his contract, good luck with the Postons. I hope the Redskins don't sign players to any more contracts like they did Samuels, Steven Davis, and LaVar. If they remain with the team, they have to be redone too many times.