Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

News flash everyone, in case you didn't realize it offiss is a Brunell hater.

None of our success this year can be attributable to Brunell. Yeah I know, a 3000 yard passer with 23 TDs and only 10 INTs has to be given some credit, right?

Nope.

Don't look at the stats... yeah I know that's a common way to measure a player but you have to ignore the facts here and trust that we somehow managed to win 10 regular season games and a playoff game with absolutely no meaningful contribution from the QB position whatsoever.

Don't look at the entire season either as a gauge for Brunell's success. Forgot about those 8 games in which he posted a 90 or better QB rating. Instead, let's judge his season on his worst 3 performances when the entire offense was struggling and serveral key players including Brunell himself was banged up. That's where you see the true measure of a QB, that's where you see what kind of QB Mark Brunell is.

Your forgetting about the rest of his lowsey performances, I think he's had 4 real nice games in 2 years, but he's the man!

As if you wouldn't throw him under the truck like you did with Ramsey the second Gibbs makes a switch.

[Matty72wrote]Brunell thinks he can still start, problem for him is who would want him as their starter?? If he demands a trade, do you think anybody would be willing to take on his salary?

Obviously Matty you would.

[SmootSmack]

Matty is man enough at least to appreciate that Brunell did a very good job this year and proved a lot of doubters wrong. A lot of doubters, but not all apparently

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by offiss

Your forgetting about the rest of his lowsey performances, I think he's had 4 real nice games in 2 years, but he's the man!

As if you wouldn't throw him under the truck like you did with Ramsey the second Gibbs makes a switch.






Obviously Matty you would.

Even If he Loses and Fumbles 3 times in a game it's never Brunells fault....No receivers...Or maybe the offensive line....He's A 1st Ballot Hall of Famer

[MTK]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Even If he Loses and Fumbles 3 times in a game it's never Brunells fault....No receivers...Or maybe the offensive line....He's A 1st Ballot Hall of Famer

Obviously you're glossing over any of the perceived anti-Ramsey takes.

I'm well aware he had some bad outings this year, I've repeatedly said that.

But by in large the good outweighed the bad, we did go 10-6 and won a playoff game... so some of the credit has to go his way, that's all I'm saying. Some people are refusing to acknowledge he had a good year.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Even If he Loses and Fumbles 3 times in a game it's never Brunells fault....No receivers...Or maybe the offensive line....He's A 1st Ballot Hall of Famer

Exactly! The same excuses people use for Ramsey not starting, TO's and such, are never ackowledged when brunell is turning it over at the same rate or worse, and Brunell is the experienced veteran, those things shouldn't be happening at this stage of his carreer, Ramsey still has a chance to better himself.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Even If he Loses and Fumbles 3 times in a game it's never Brunells fault....No receivers...Or maybe the offensive line....He's A 1st Ballot Hall of Famer

No one here is suggesting that Brunell is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but give him his due. He played a big part in the Redskins making the playoffs.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Even If he Loses and Fumbles 3 times in a game it's never Brunells fault....No receivers...Or maybe the offensive line....He's A 1st Ballot Hall of Famer

No one has ever made that statement or implied anything of the sort concerning Brunell. All we've ever said is that Brunell was the better choice and the proof is in the year we had. If Ramsey had played and gave us the same results, then Ramsey would have been the best choice. We're going by what we've seen as fact. With Mark Brunell playing quarterback this year, we made the playoffs.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

No one has ever made that statement or implied anything of the sort concerning Brunell. All we've ever said is that Brunell was the better choice and the proof is in the year we had. If Ramsey had played and gave us the same results, then Ramsey would have been the best choice. We're going by what we've seen as fact. With Mark Brunell playing quarterback this year, we made the playoffs.

There are some that believe that Ramsey wasn't given a fair shake, and when he did, it was under Spurrier's rudimentary offense. Furthermore, they say that Gibbs unfairly yanked him before he could fully prove himself.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

There are some that believe that Ramsey wasn't given a fair shake, and when he did, it was under Spurrier's rudimentary offense. Furthermore, they say that Gibbs unfairly yanked him before he could fully prove himself.

What's your point?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

What's your point?

His point is people assume that because we made the playoffs Brunell was the best choice, but that's not nessasarily the case, who's to say if Ramsey is the QB that we wouldn't have won the division and had a by, and possibly be on our way to detroit this week? At the very least it is no stretch to say that Ramsey could have guided us to the playoffs as well.

Just because we made the playoff's doesn't mean that Brunell was the best man for the job, what it does mean is that Ramsey wasen't given a chance to prove otherwise.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

His point is people assume that because we made the playoffs Brunell was the best choice,

He would be correct since Brunell has already proven that he can lead us into the post season.

Originally Posted by offiss

but that's not nessasarily the case, who's to say if Ramsey is the QB that we wouldn't have won the division and had a by, and possibly be on our way to detroit this week? At the very least it is no stretch to say that Ramsey could have guided us to the playoffs as well.

That is the case. It's been proven fact. We made it to the playoffs and advanced. We took a major step in the right direction with Mark Brunell playing quarterback for this team. There is no solid evidence that Patrick Ramsey could have done the same or better.

Originally Posted by offiss

Just because we made the playoff's doesn't mean that Brunell was the best man for the job, what it does mean is that Ramsey wasen't given a chance to prove otherwise.

That doesn't make any sense. Of course it proves that Brunell was the best man for the job. You have no proof to debate with me on this. Only excuses.

[skins052bgr8]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

There are some that believe that Ramsey wasn't given a fair shake, and when he did, it was under Spurrier's rudimentary offense. Furthermore, they say that Gibbs unfairly yanked him before he could fully prove himself.

I like Ramsey and think whatever happens to him in the future he will get better, there is no way he has reached his full potential for the exact reason you stated above. He may have been in the NFL for 4 years, but he was being coached by all College coaches not even nfl assistants, with College schemes in a complex nfl defensive system where it is essential to have good coaches to help you develop and have a chance at being good. Essentially in my mind as far as Ramsey and his development it did not start until Gibbs got here. Those who think Ramsey could develop into anything those first two years are just foolish. That being said I hardly think you can even judge any of the QB's in Gibbs first year it was just horrible performance for whatever reason, but I can assure you it was not all Ramsey.I do think Ramsey is gone, but he will be a starter for another team in this league and do well. Ramsey has had a short leash for some reason by all his coaches, Spurrier circus of carousel QB and Gibbs this year after one game. He just has not had a fair shake.