Lavar has been misused...

[That Guy]

pierce played well, but marshall played just as well and didn't get hurt (like AP). It doesn't matter if they're a hit somewhere else, it only matters if the skins can replace them adequately.

If lavar redoes his deal he probably stays... taking a 12mill hit this year or next is insane... he's a crapload of money either way and i think danny screwed up on his contract. I don't think the skins would miss him much ssince he hasn't really played, but we'll need someone (anyone) better than holdman to take over. It'd suck to pay arrington 7+mill to be an average LB, but it might happen cause the cost of letting him go AND paying his replacement would be too much.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

pierce played well, but marshall played just as well and didn't get hurt (like AP). It doesn't matter if they're a hit somewhere else, it only matters if the skins can replace them adequately.

If lavar redoes his deal he probably stays... taking a 12mill hit this year or next is insane... he's a crapload of money either way and i think danny screwed up on his contract. I don't think the skins would miss him much ssince he hasn't really played, but we'll need someone (anyone) better than holdman to take over. It'd suck to pay arrington 7+mill to be an average LB, but it might happen cause the cost of letting him go AND paying his replacement would be too much.

We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by offiss

We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.

its nice that you think clemons is ready to go... he's been decent on rushing the passer, but i haven't seen him in coverage etc at all. and what happens if he gets hurt? you need a reserve and without lavar we'd need to get somebody who isn't worthless.

[70Chip]

The only thing we know about C Clemons is that he is a decent pass rusher off the edge. It would be ridiculous to assume he is an every down player. If he is, I would have liked to have seen him in the game instead of Holdman.

I understand that people feel a loyalty to Lavar because he was making plays and putting forth effort when it seemed that no one else was. I like Lavar as well. The thing is, though, the way the financial aspects of the game are structured, you can't give your heart and soul to any individual player. Darrell Green was the last Redskin I felt any attachment to, and he was the only one for many years. If he he had not played for so long, the last one would have retired around '94 (Monte) or '95 (Monk). Maybe its age, but I just can't get worked up about anyone getting the axe unless I think its a dumb football decision which is not the case here. Its not personal with Lavar. Its not personal with Patrick. It won't be personal the next time with the next guy. (Brunell? Wynn?) So, I'll listen to someone make a case on the football merits, but sentimentality will not persuade me anymore.

[Dirtbag59]

Is anyone else hoping for no salary cap as much as I am?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

The only thing we know about C Clemons is that he is a decent pass rusher off the edge. It would be ridiculous to assume he is an every down player. If he is, I would have liked to have seen him in the game instead of Holdman.

I understand that people feel a loyalty to Lavar because he was making plays and putting forth effort when it seemed that no one else was. I like Lavar as well. The thing is, though, the way the financial aspects of the game are structured, you can't give your heart and soul to any individual player. Darrell Green was the last Redskin I felt any attachment to, and he was the only one for many years. If he he had not played for so long, the last one would have retired around '94 (Monte) or '95 (Monk). Maybe its age, but I just can't get worked up about anyone getting the axe unless I think its a dumb football decision which is not the case here. Its not personal with Lavar. Its not personal with Patrick. It won't be personal the next time with the next guy. (Brunell? Wynn?) So, I'll listen to someone make a case on the football merits, but sentimentality will not persuade me anymore.

Well we don't have to assume anything with Lavar, we know he's not an everydown LB, infact if williams has his way he wont be playing any downs, Clemons has showed steady progress, he has also shown he can get after the QB better than Lavar, there is a reason Lavar was on the bench most of the year and I am tired of hearing the injury excuse he didn't have major reconstruction on his knee, he's just a lowsey LB, who happens to have a big personality.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

its nice that you think clemons is ready to go... he's been decent on rushing the passer, but i haven't seen him in coverage etc at all. and what happens if he gets hurt? you need a reserve and without lavar we'd need to get somebody who isn't worthless.

That is what the draft is for, it is also why Williams makes the big bucks, he can take an athlete and make him a football player, Williams has proven he can take a nobody and have him outplay Lavar, [see Marshall] as well Clemons was on his way to claiming that spot before his injury. Perhaps he's not an everydown player yet? That's why we have scouts, to draft a player who can step in if need be. I can't imagine a rookie taking longer to learn the position than Lavar has.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by offiss

We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.

I can't take a single thing you say seriously, because you're so obviously biased against Mark Brunell.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can't take a single thing you say seriously, because you're so obviously biased against Mark Brunell.

Yes I am, but it's not unfounded bias. But to whomever thinks Brunell is the answer, good luck. Brunell is no longer the apple of Gibbs eye, that honor now belongs to Campbell! As Gibbs said it's time for Campbell to go to work and start earning his paycheck, I don't believe he was refering to him holding a clipboard.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by offiss

Yes I am, but it's not unfounded bias. But to whomever thinks Brunell is the answer, good luck. Brunell is no longer the apple of Gibbs eye, that honor now belongs to Campbell! As Gibbs said it's time for Campbell to go to work and start earning his paycheck, I don't believe he was refering to him holding a clipboard.

I think it's unfounded. 23 TDs and 11 INTs. It speaks for itself. But I'm not going to get into a QB war here, because if Campbell can play even better than Brunell did in 2005, then I'm all for playing him.

I agree with your stance on Lavar though. I just hope the cap figures work out in such a way that makes it possible to trade him, because I don't want him as a Redskin anymore.

[#56fanatic]

I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!!

This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.

By that logic, would you argue with a Colts fan who says that Peyton Manning should be cut? He's a great regular season player who doesn't really accomplish anything in the playoffs. Are they better off with him crippling the cap? If he restructured they could keep Edge and Reggie Wayne. Is he going to? I don't think so. So, by your logic, Peyton Manning is hurting the Colts.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.

My arguement is not ALL emotional if you bother to read the last parts of the post. It takes a year if not longer to get back to 100% after a surgery or two like he had. Towards the end of the year he showed his talent, he showed that he is close to getting back to his pro bowl level. of the 9 games he played full time, he had 40 to 45 tackles, plus 6 for loss,(which led the team) Plus in the playoff games he avgd about 10 tackles a game. I dont think my arguement is all emotional. Yes, I like LaVar, and I think he is a damn good LB. It would be a mistake to let him go, eat the 12 million when he wants to redo his deal for less. He is back to 100%(or close to it), which he hasn't been in 2 years. This guy is going to have more to prove than anyone on this, plus alot to prove to everyone in the NFL that says he doesn't have it anymore. I just think its a mistake. Thats all. THINK(thats my opinion) fact or not everyone is entitled one!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!!

blah blah blah, emotion doesn't win many games from the bench. Its a business, not a fairy tale.