Lavar has been misused...

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm talking about the future years of his deal, you always seem to be so against restructuring deals and mortgaging the future, yet it's ok for your boy LaVar?

Why not cut him and his ridiculous deal loose now and help save some major cap space in the near future??

Emotions aside, getting him off our books asap is the right move.

I just dont think this year is financially possible. 12 million vs 6 million. From what I hear he is willing to take a big paycut to stay. Now if that is not the case, then maybe we do need to let him go. No team can afford a 12 million cap number. I am against restructuring deals, especially when they get these big signing bonuses again. With LaVar, from what I understand, he is willing to take a cut, make the 6.5 a signing bonus and spread it over the new contract. Also taking the minimum salary for each year. Thats what heard, dont know how true it is. But, it would seem doable if thats the case.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont think this year is financially possible. 12 million vs 6 million. From what I hear he is willing to take a big paycut to stay. Now if that is not the case, then maybe we do need to let him go. No team can afford a 12 million cap number. I am against restructuring deals, especially when they get these big signing bonuses again. With LaVar, from what I understand, he is willing to take a cut, make the 6.5 a signing bonus and spread it over the new contract. Also taking the minimum salary for each year. Thats what heard, dont know how true it is. But, it would seem doable if thats the case.

56fanatic, it's totally strange for me to sit here and read a post from you that supports the renegotiation of Lavar's contract, kicking more money into the future when you're so vehemently arguing against that very practice in the Salary Cap Analysis thread. Nobody is saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the second you put an opinion on a discussion board, it is open season when it's inconsistent. So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, but in my eyes you opened yourself up to it.

If Lavar takes an out and out cut in pay this year, then I will 100% agree that it makes sense to keep him. If he renegotiates into signing bonus, kicking the money down the road, I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, it would depend on the deal. His contract is the most expensive one on our books, basically in a tie with Chris Samuels. But he's not even close to our best player. The whole point is that if we cut him this year, we'll clear up future salary cap space which we can do more with. I think we can get more talent with his cap space down the road than he offers himself.

But it's hard to know how much he's willing to renegotiate. He goes back and forth on his statements all the time. We'll just have to wait and see.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

56fanatic, it's totally strange for me to sit here and read a post from you that supports the renegotiation of Lavar's contract, kicking more money into the future when you're so vehemently arguing against that very practice in the Salary Cap Analysis thread. Nobody is saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the second you put an opinion on a discussion board, it is open season when it's inconsistent. So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, but in my eyes you opened yourself up to it.

If Lavar takes an out and out cut in pay this year, then I will 100% agree that it makes sense to keep him. If he renegotiates into signing bonus, kicking the money down the road, I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, it would depend on the deal. His contract is the most expensive one on our books, basically in a tie with Chris Samuels. But he's not even close to our best player. The whole point is that if we cut him this year, we'll clear up future salary cap space which we can do more with. I think we can get more talent with his cap space down the road than he offers himself.

But it's hard to know how much he's willing to renegotiate. He goes back and forth on his statements all the time. We'll just have to wait and see.

You are right as well. As in the post I had w/ Matty I said I heard he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Now, if thats true and he renegotiates the deal with the roster bonus to where his cap number is managable or less than the original deal, then we should keep him. If he falls back on his statement where he doesn't want to redo the deal, then we have to look at dealing him or just letting him go. That of course is if we can trim enough dough to take the big hit. As Matty said, we found a way w/ the Coles deal, maybe we can find another way with LaVar.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You are right as well. As in the post I had w/ Matty I said I heard he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Now, if thats true and he renegotiates the deal with the roster bonus to where his cap number is managable or less than the original deal, then we should keep him. If he falls back on his statement where he doesn't want to redo the deal, then we have to look at dealing him or just letting him go. That of course is if we can trim enough dough to take the big hit. As Matty said, we found a way w/ the Coles deal, maybe we can find another way with LaVar.

I'm not quite clear on what you're saying. His base salary for 2006 is already at the vet minimum, so there's nothing we can do with his base salary. He's due $6.5 million as a roster bonus this year. Are you saying he might be willing to cut the $6.5 million payment down, and then change the remainder of it to a signing bonus? If he wants to cut it down low enough before renegotiating it, then that would be great. Can we see him doing that though? Because he thought he was getting $12 million instead of $6.5, until he realized that his agent let him down. To get even less than $6.5 this year would seem to be something he'd like to avoid. Who knows though.

In the case of cutting or trading him, I think even if the CBA is extended there's no way in the world we'd be able to absorb a $12 million hit from him. It would be hard to clear that much room. We would release/trade him after June 1 and take a $5 million hit this year and a $7 million hit in 2007 (assuming the CBA is extended).

If the CBA is not extended we're stuck with him no matter what, so hopefully we can renegotiate in that scenario.