Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I have read several threads speculating on the fate of Patrick Ramsey. Will he stay or go? If he's traded, where will he go? How much is he worth? What I have not seen is an analysis from HIS point of view.

His contract expires in 2006. It's true that the Redskins could trade his contract "as is" to any team of their choosing, but why would any team be interested in such a contract? Why invest the time in teaching your system to a QB who is under contract for only one season?

It seems to me that, for Ramsey to have any trade value at all, he will have to be willing to sign a new contract with the Redskins' trade partner. And, if I'm right, this gives him considerable control over his situation. For example, there has been a lot of speculation about him going to the Jets. In his shoes, given their current situation, would you sign a new extended contract with the Jets?

There has also been some speculation that the hiring of Al Saunders might change the dynamic of the situation so that Ramsey might end up a Redskin in 2006 and beyond after all. But, the same problem arises. Unless Patrick is willing to sign an extension (and why would he?), why spend the time teaching him Saunder's complex offensive scheme?

I consider myself a knowledgeable fan generally but I'll admit that, when it comes to the NFL rules on free agency, the salary cap, and the rules on trades, I have no interest beyond the broad strokes. So, for those of you with a better grasp...is my analysis, that Ramsey has some control with respect to a trade, wrong? If so, what have I missed?

welcome! imo ramsey's contract will have no bearing on his trade worth. when he goes to another team he will most likely have to play for an extension. no team will just give him a multi-year deal unless he proves it on the feild first. there are plenty of teams willing to take a chance on a qb for only a 1 year deal.see Kurt Warner last year with the cards, they signed him to a one year contract and he had to play to get an extension which they gave him this year. i know warner was a fa but its still the same concept

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

welcome! imo ramsey's contract will have no bearing on his trade worth. when he goes to another team he will most likely have to play for an extension. no team will just give him a multi-year deal unless he proves it on the feild first. there are plenty of teams willing to take a chance on a qb for only a 1 year deal.see Kurt Warner last year with the cards, they signed him to a one year contract and he had to play to get an extension which they gave him this year. i know warner was a fa but its still the same concept

I see a difference. The Cards didn't have to give up anything to sign Warner.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I see a difference. The Cards didn't have to give up anything to sign Warner.

i know they didnt have to give anythin up for him,i was just using him as an example,i just dont think his contract is going to be a sticking point with our trade partner when it comes to ramseys trade worth. i also dont see us getting more than a fifth rounder for him. maybe a #4 if we are lucky.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

i know they didnt have to give anythin up for him,i was just using him as an example,i just dont think his contract is going to be a sticking point with our trade partner when it comes to ramseys trade worth. i also dont see us getting more than a fifth rounder for him. maybe a #4 if we are lucky.

I'm thinking this way: If Ramsey is traded to a team of his choice, and he's willing to sign a new contract, his value goes up.

If there are two teams interested, and he's willing to sign an extension with both, there could be a bidding war, and his value goes way up.

I don't think we can predict how this will play out right now.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I'm thinking this way: If Ramsey is traded to a team of his choice, and he's willing to sign a new contract, his value goes up.

ok, im thinking this way , if i am interested in ramsey, i dont want to commit to anything right yet. i dont want to commit to a long term deal for a qb that has done NOTHING in the nfl. on the other hand if i am ramsey, i dont want to sign a deal because i will be a fa in a potentialy uncapped year. this is all speculation now but i dont see a "bidding war" for a player that hasnt produced like a first rounder should. this is coming from a guy who has a ramsey jersey that is never to be worn again.. i once thought ramsey was our qb of the future

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

ok, im thinking this way , if i am interested in ramsey, i dont want to commit to anything right yet. i dont want to commit to a long term deal for a qb that has done NOTHING in the nfl. on the other hand if i am ramsey, i dont want to sign a deal because i will be a fa in a potentialy uncapped year. this is all speculation now but i dont see a "bidding war" for a player that hasnt produced like a first rounder should. this is coming from a guy who has a ramsey jersey that is never to be worn again.. i once thought ramsey was our qb of the future

Well, there are are about eight teams who need help at the QB position. Some of them will be committing to five year deals with college players who have never played a down in the NFL.

Naturally, it comes down to the GM's opinion of Ramsey's performance. I don't find it hard to believe that a few will rate him higher than Joe Gibbs.

I'm among those who haven't closed the book on Patrick.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Well, there are are about eight teams who need help at the QB position. Some of them will be committing to five year deals with college players who have never played a down in the NFL.

Naturally, it comes down to the GM's opinion of Ramsey's performance. I don't find it hard to believe that a few will rate him higher than Joe Gibbs.

I'm among those who haven't closed the book on Patrick.

i think spurrier ruinned him with his 'chuck and duck' offense(if he could he would have had only 4 blockers for patrick), but i do still like the man. he has showed amazing compossure when he was benched and i too still hope he has a successful carreer. i just think its time for both parties to go their seperate ways. no hard feelings

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

welcome! imo ramsey's contract will have no bearing on his trade worth. when he goes to another team he will most likely have to play for an extension. no team will just give him a multi-year deal unless he proves it on the feild first. there are plenty of teams willing to take a chance on a qb for only a 1 year deal.see Kurt Warner last year with the cards, they signed him to a one year contract and he had to play to get an extension which they gave him this year. i know warner was a fa but its still the same concept

if a team is only gonna get him for a one-year tryout, then they're not gonna give up anything more than like a 6th rouder or somethin