Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

You say "Ramsey would be a moron to sign a new contract with anyone..." and then "If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is." Didn't you just contradict yourself?

Anyway. The smart move for Patrick IMO would be to sign a two-year deal with a team that might best support him in establishing himself as a bona fide starting QB. The Skins would be well-served to trade with teams of Ramsey's choice because his willingness to sign a two or three year deal would enhance his current market value.

no i said he would be stupid to sign a new contract, the second statement was in response to you saying he would sign with team a and not team b, in which case IF he did actually sign a contract (cause the money was good, which it won't be, hence the first statement) I don't he'd be choosy about who it was with since he's not a player every team wants.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

no i said he would be stupid to sign a new contract, the second statement was in response to you saying he would sign with team a and not team b, in which case IF he did actually sign a contract (cause the money was good, which it won't be, hence the first statement) I don't he'd be choosy about who it was with since he's not a player every team wants.

So, you're saying that since Ramsey is a washout, he ought to take what he can get and not be so choosy. And I'm saying that since Ramsey doesn't think he's a washout, he will be choosy and it would be a good idea for the Redskins to pursue a trade with teams of Patrick's choice because they might just agree that he isn't a washout and be willing to part with a nice draft choice for him if he signs a new deal.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

So, you're saying that since Ramsey is a washout, he ought to take what he can get and not be so choosy. And I'm saying that since Ramsey doesn't think he's a washout, he will be choosy and it would be a good idea for the Redskins to pursue a trade with teams of Patrick's choice because they might just agree that he isn't a washout and be willing to part with a nice draft choice for him if he signs a new deal.

i dont think he's a washout, but i don't think he has the peyton type of talent to control his situation. The ONLY way he'd agree to a new contract with anyone is if he thinks its close to what he could get after a good year going into a potentially uncapped season. I think both he and the teams looking at him (who may also be drafting a QB and only need one year) would rather take a test drive than commit at a high dollar cost up front.

If someone insists on a new contract, it'll probably be a cheap one that ramsey wouldn't want, and he's completely capable of saying no to that. I think right now ramsey is more concerned with a chance to start games than with the size of a contract, because if he can play and play well, he'll make a ton more money in the long run. signing a 3 year contract for his current market value (maybe 2mill a year) would be counter to his interests (if he plays well he could get 4mill a year like warner or harrington and possibly a 5 year deal because of his age).

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i dont think he's a washout, but i don't think he has the peyton type of talent to control his situation. The ONLY way he'd agree to a new contract with anyone is if he thinks its close to what he could get after a good year going into a potentially uncapped season. I think both he and the teams looking at him (who may also be drafting a QB and only need one year) would rather take a test drive than commit at a high dollar cost up front.

If someone insists on a new contract, it'll probably be a cheap one that ramsey wouldn't want, and he's completely capable of saying no to that. I think right now ramsey is more concerned with a chance to start games than with the size of a contract, because if he can play and play well, he'll make a ton more money in the long run. signing a 3 year contract for his current market value (maybe 2mill a year) would be counter to his interests (if he plays well he could get 4mill a year like warner or harrington and possibly a 5 year deal because of his age).

Okay. I understand your position now and you might well be right, but starting with a team that offers him weak support would be repeating the problem Ramsey had with the Skins in 2003 with Spurrier and in 2004 with the not-ready-for-prime-time Gibbs offense. If he's as smart as I think he is, Patrick will scuttle a deal like that.

I can't see the Jets, for example, giving us a draft pick for a one-year trial of a QB who doesn't want to play there.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I can't see the Jets giving us a draft pick for a one-year trial of a QB who doesn't want to play there.

I could potentially see it, because they're in cap hell and the team is going to be bad. they don't want to ruin their rookie QB... so ramsey plays while culter learns and the next season, the jets will be able to start getting better talent again and culter can avoid being thrown into a meatgrinder while the NY media destroys him for having a bad team...

there are more QBs than openings as it appears right now, so there's a chance it might be ramsey's best shot (which would basically be a solo audition for the next year).

the raiders are probably more likely though. The saints may also grab a vet to let leinhart sit, but i doubt it. Leinhart in that situation is the guy you throw in to start learning right away. he's pretty polished and the NO media will welcome him as a savior.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I could potentially see it, because they're in cap hell and the team is going to be bad. they don't want to ruin their rookie QB... so ramsey plays while culter learns and the next season, the jets will be able to start getting better talent again and culter can avoid being thrown into a meatgrinder while the NY media destroys him for having a bad team...

there are more QBs than openings as it appears right now, so there's a chance it might be ramsey's best shot (which would basically be a solo audition for the next year).

the raiders are probably more likely though. The saints may also grab a vet to let leinhart sit, but i doubt it. Leinhart in that situation is the guy you throw in to start learning right away. he's pretty polished and the NO media will welcome him as a savior.

You're the GM of the Jets. You would give up a draft pick for a QB to use for one year as cannon fodder when there are dozens of third-tier guys available as free agents at the league minimum salary?