Jets Moving up?

[hail_2_da_skins]

That would be a great move for the Texans. They don't need Reggie Bush. Their best player is RB Dominack Davis. I'm not sold on Bush being a every down back. He is too little. He is small like Warrick Dunn. Whoever gets him, it will be a mistake. The Texans need offensive line and defensive line help. David Carr is not bad if he can stay off his back. They have good receivers (Andre Johnson, Corey Bradford and Jabar Gaffney). The Texans gave up more sacks than anyone. They need to draft linemen.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

That would be a great move for the Texans. They don't need Reggie Bush. Their best player is RB Dominack Davis. I'm not sold on Bush being a every down back. He is too little. He is small like Warrick Dunn. Whoever gets him, it will be a mistake. The Texans need offensive line and defensive line help. David Carr is not bad if he can stay off his back. They have good receivers (Andre Johnson, Corey Bradford and Jabar Gaffney). The Texans gave up more sacks than anyone. They need to draft linemen.

Well, the Texans need many things. Bush may not be the fit for them, but I definitely think he'll be an impact player somewhere.

[#56fanatic]

It may be a good idea to move away from the number one pick. But, if they could package Davis and some picks to get a couple first rounders it would be a very productive draft. I dont think you can pass on Bush. He is an unbelievable talent, size or not. He will bulk up on an NFL regament, plus you can not teach speed and quickness, and vision. he has them all. I have never seen a player come out of college with the talent this guy has. He can run, he can catch like a receiver and has the escape ability of no one I have ever seen, maybe a Barry Sanders, but has twice the speed. It would be a mistake to pass on him.

On the Vince Young thing, I dont care what kind of talent you have a QB, if you cant read a defense, or pick up the plays you will not succeed in the NFL. Look at Vick, he went to college on athletism and he is below avg QB in the NFL. Heath Shuler was suppose to be next best thing until everyone found out he was a stupid as the goal post. Leinert may be the #1 QB taken, but I am not sold on his arm, he just doesn't seem to have the arm strength needed to complete tight balls in the NFL. I think Cutler might be the best overall QB coming out of the draft. Has the brains and a GUN for an arm.
just my thoughts.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

It may be a good idea to move away from the number one pick. But, if they could package Davis and some picks to get a couple first rounders it would be a very productive draft. I dont think you can pass on Bush. He is an unbelievable talent, size or not. He will bulk up on an NFL regament, plus you can not teach speed and quickness, and vision. he has them all. I have never seen a player come out of college with the talent this guy has. He can run, he can catch like a receiver and has the escape ability of no one I have ever seen, maybe a Barry Sanders, but has twice the speed. It would be a mistake to pass on him.

On the Vince Young thing, I dont care what kind of talent you have a QB, if you cant read a defense, or pick up the plays you will not succeed in the NFL. Look at Vick, he went to college on athletism and he is below avg QB in the NFL. Heath Shuler was suppose to be next best thing until everyone found out he was a stupid as the goal post. Leinert may be the #1 QB taken, but I am not sold on his arm, he just doesn't seem to have the arm strength needed to complete tight balls in the NFL. I think Cutler might be the best overall QB coming out of the draft. Has the brains and a GUN for an arm.
just my thoughts.

i doubt bush is faster than sanders, at least in comparision to the competition he'll face. culter has an arm, but he makes bad decisions. brees and brady have weak arms and they're doing fine in the nfl, so i don't think leinhart is going to fail based on his arm.

jeff george and ramsey also both had guns for arms

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i doubt bush is faster than sanders, at least in comparision to the competition he'll face. culter has an arm, but he makes bad decisions. brees and brady have weak arms and they're doing fine in the nfl, so i don't think leinhart is going to fail based on his arm.

jeff george and ramsey also both had guns for arms

No way in hell Barry Sanders wasn't even close in the speed catagory with Bush. that is crazy talk. Bush runs like a low 4.2 40, Berry at his best may have been mid 4.3s. Where do you see Breeze and Brady as having weak arms? Brady can rifle the ball with the best of them, Breeze I really can't say, haven't seen enough of them. Dont even bring George in the picture, we all know what his problems were, Talent not one of them. Ramsey never had a true shot with a real NFL coach. and dont say Gibbs gave him one, because he didn't.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

No way in hell Barry Sanders wasn't even close in the speed catagory with Bush. that is crazy talk. Bush runs like a low 4.2 40, Berry at his best may have been mid 4.3s. Where do you see Breeze and Brady as having weak arms? Brady can rifle the ball with the best of them, Breeze I really can't say, haven't seen enough of them. Dont even bring George in the picture, we all know what his problems were, Talent not one of them. Ramsey never had a true shot with a real NFL coach. and dont say Gibbs gave him one, because he didn't.

hi, before spewing crap, please check facts. Bush has a 4.40 to 4.42 40 time, and that's a far cry from a 4.2.

Brees and Brady's arm are around the strength of leinhart's, they were both knocked for that, but it hasn't seemed to hurt them.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

hi, before spewing crap, please check facts. Bush has a 4.40 to 4.42 40 time, and that's a far cry from a 4.2.

Brees and Brady's arm are around the strength of leinhart's, they were both knocked for that, but it hasn't seemed to hurt them.

Don't know were those times came from, but just watching the guy run I would be absolutly shocked if he wasen't in the low 4.3 range at least.

And yes Bush is much faster straight line speed than B. Sanders Sanders ability to cut is what set him apart from the rest, he wasen't a slow back by no means, but he didn't have elite speed like Bush either, Bush has Gale Sayers type ability.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i doubt bush is faster than sanders, at least in comparision to the competition he'll face. culter has an arm, but he makes bad decisions. brees and brady have weak arms and they're doing fine in the nfl, so i don't think leinhart is going to fail based on his arm.

jeff george and ramsey also both had guns for arms

I would take Cutler over all the QB's if I was drafting one, part of Cutlers problem's in college is that he had a horrible offensive line which put him into some forced throws. As for Leinert I am not as big on the guy as others, probably my biggest concern for him is his durability, he looks like a guy who would have a hard time surving in the NFL. The thing that would scare me with him is the fact that he plays with superior talent in an NFL type scheme with superior coaches.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by offiss

I would take Cutler over all the QB's if I was drafting one, part of Cutlers problem's in college is that he had a horrible offensive line which put him into some forced throws. As for Leinert I am not as big on the guy as others, probably my biggest concern for him is his durability, he looks like a guy who would have a hard time surving in the NFL. The thing that would scare me with him is the fact that he plays with superior talent in an NFL type scheme with superior coaches.

that's all true... i may jut be re-acting to all the "culter is the best QB by far" crap some people are spewing CONSTANTLY (maylock is the worst about it), but everything i've seen he looks good, but not great. It was a great idea to do the full combine and i liked his interviews, but in the all star game whitehurst played much better and he's a possible 3rd-5th round guy. I saw one other game of his i think and wasn't really impressed. His Oline was beyond redemption though.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

that's all true... i may jut be re-acting to all the "culter is the best QB by far" crap some people are spewing CONSTANTLY (maylock is the worst about it), but everything i've seen he looks good, but not great. It was a great idea to do the full combine and i liked his interviews, but in the all star game whitehurst played much better and he's a possible 3rd-5th round guy. I saw one other game of his i think and wasn't really impressed. His Oline was beyond redemption though.

I actually liked Whithurst as well, good call with that, I think he's very underated.