Brunell is Bad

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor is God

You're right. I just started and don't really understand the forum format. I'm really just trying to spark interesting debates but people seem really defensive.

Everyone here is looking for interesting topics and insight and I understand the newbies are always going to have a little trouble adjusting. You seem to be posting a lot so I guess you just stick out more right now.

Just click the "forum" click on the home page. Then click "locker room". You can look through the existing threads until you find one with the topic you are looking to talk about. Then post your opinion and it will automagically jump to first in line on the homepage! If you don't find your topic, then by all means, post a new thread!

Just for the record, Brunnel had a very good year. My concern is that I don't know if he can reproduce his production next year.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Everyone here is looking for interesting topics and insight and I understand the newbies are always going to have a little trouble adjusting. You seem to be posting a lot so I guess you just stick out more right now.

Just click the "forum" click on the home page. Then click "locker room". You can look through the existing threads until you find one with the topic you are looking to talk about. Then post your opinion and it will automagically jump to first in line on the homepage! If you don't find your topic, then by all means, post a new thread!

Just for the record, Brunnel had a very good year. My concern is that I don't know if he can reproduce his production next year.

Reproduce? If he can't get better we are in trouble. If we don't put a very dominant defense on the field Brunell isn't going to win games, if we fielded an average defense, everyone hear would be calling for his head right now. There is nothing special about a QB who is out there just trying not to lose games, you can sign the trent Dilfers of the world at a very reasonable price to do that, good QB's win with average defenses, and they win super bowls with good defenses.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by offiss

Reproduce? If he can't get better we are in trouble. If we don't put a very dominant defense on the field Brunell isn't going to win games, if we fielded an average defense, everyone hear would be calling for his head right now. There is nothing special about a QB who is out there just trying not to lose games, you can sign the trent Dilfers of the world at a very reasonable price to do that, good QB's win with average defenses, and they win super bowls with good defenses.

Maybe we can agree on this:

maybe Brunnel is better than you think
AND
maybe Ramsey is better than Gibbs thinks.

To me, Brunnel looked good when he had to open up the offense ?(KC, Denver, Dallas...), but there is no doubt that defenses would have backed off if Ramsey was back there and the line could protect him. I'll be interested to see what Saunders thinks if Ramsey stays.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Maybe we can agree on this:

maybe Brunnel is better than you think
AND
maybe Ramsey is better than Gibbs thinks.

To me, Brunnel looked good when he had to open up the offense ?(KC, Denver, Dallas...), but there is no doubt that defenses would have backed off if Ramsey was back there and the line could protect him. I'll be interested to see what Saunders thinks if Ramsey stays.

I am very interested in Saunders evaluation of the situation will be as well, but I have a feeling Ramsey will be out of hear before he has a chance to do so, as we close in on draft day something is probably going to happen maybe even on draft day, right now things are up in the air on which direction teams with QB needs are going to go, once that straightens itself out Patrick will probably be on the move, to bad for us IMO.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

I am very interested in Saunders evaluation of the situation will be as well, but I have a feeling Ramsey will be out of hear before he has a chance to do so, as we close in on draft day something is probably going to happen maybe even on draft day, right now things are up in the air on which direction teams with QB needs are going to go, once that straightens itself out Patrick will probably be on the move, to bad for us IMO.

I'd think if Saunders felt strongly about keeping Ramsey then Gibbs would have listened.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Maybe we can agree on this:

maybe Brunnel is better than you think
AND
maybe Ramsey is better than Gibbs thinks.

To me, Brunnel looked good when he had to open up the offense ?(KC, Denver, Dallas...), but there is no doubt that defenses would have backed off if Ramsey was back there and the line could protect him. I'll be interested to see what Saunders thinks if Ramsey stays.

I would think that with Gibbs given Ramsey the OK to seak a trade gives us some insight to what Saunders thinks of him. Saunders had to of looked at game film and pratice film of Ramsey befor they gave him the Ok to go looking for a trade. If for one minute Saunders thought Ramsey should be the starter or could be the starter of the team he would not be looking for a trade.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I would think that with Gibbs given Ramsey the OK to seak a trade gives us some insight to what Saunders thinks of him. Saunders had to of looked at game film and pratice film of Ramsey befor they gave him the Ok to go looking for a trade. If for one minute Saunders thought Ramsey should be the starter or could be the starter of the team he would not be looking for a trade.

It's likely that the Ramsey Bridge had already been burned before Saunders got here.

Take a look at the contracts. Suppose Saunders decided he wanted to start Patrick in 2006 and he was tickled pink with his performance...what then? How would we retain Ramsey for the future given his increased value, the Campbell and Brunell contracts, and the salary cap?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

It's likely that the Ramsey Bridge had already been burned before Saunders got here.

Take a look at the contracts. Suppose Saunders decided he wanted to start Patrick in 2006 and he was tickled pink with his performance...what then? How would we retain Ramsey for the future given his increased value, the Campbell and Brunell contracts, and the salary cap?

campbell wasn't a top5 pick, he's cheap. If you cut brunell after june 1, you save 4-5mill this year and 1mill next year. ramsey is also cheap.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

campbell wasn't a top5 pick, he's cheap. If you cut brunell after june 1, you save 4-5mill this year and 1mill next year. ramsey is also cheap.

Ramsey won't be cheap to re-sign for the future if Saunders starts him and he performs well in 2006. That was the scenario.

We aren't talking about this year's cap but 2007's.

So my point was...it doesn't matter what Saunder's opinion is of Ramsey. There's no good reason to keep him in the team's plans.