Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

Especially since he'll be playing in Washington with a Pro Bowl backfield (Portis/Cooley '07).

Theres a slight difference, when you have pro bowl caliber players in a college backfield compared to NFL pro bowl backfield. Campbell had 2 of the best backs in college behind him, Portis is NOT a top 5 back in the NFL!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Theres a slight difference, when you have pro bowl caliber players in a college backfield compared to NFL pro bowl backfield. Campbell had 2 of the best backs in college behind him, Portis is NOT a top 5 back in the NFL!

he only had one pro bowl type RB is college.

name the 5 best in the nfl please... i'll spot you LT... johnson and alexander can be put up there, but i think anyone behind those lines is going to have crazy numbers (great QB play on both teams too).

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he only had one pro bowl type RB is college.

name the 5 best in the nfl please... i'll spot you LT... johnson and alexander can be put up there, but i think anyone behind those lines is going to have crazy numbers (great QB play on both teams too).

You can tac on T.Barber, and E.James, I would add C.Dillion as well.

C.Martin, J.Lewis, P.Holmes, and D.Mcalister have been better up until this past season.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by offiss

You can tac on T.Barber, and E.James, I would add C.Dillion as well.

C.Martin, J.Lewis, P.Holmes, and D.Mcalister have been better up until this past season.

dillion had 700 rushing yards... you're talking crazy :P I agree on tiki though and possibly edge, that puts him at 5th-6th though.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

dillion had 700 rushing yards... you're talking crazy :P I agree on tiki though and possibly edge, that puts him at 5th-6th though.

You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by offiss

You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.

Yeah but Portis was worn down at the end of the year. Not a lot of backs could have taken the beating he sustained at the end of the year.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by offiss

You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.

dillon hit the wall like S davis this year. he's done. If you'd pick him up for a game over portis now, i think you'd have a much higher chance of losing.

YPC also depends a lot on scheme and line quality. dillon was terrible there as well (rocking a 3.5).

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by offiss

You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.

Is there anyone on the Redskins offense that you actually like? You've been outspoken against Brunell, now ripping Portis, what's next, Moss would be better if he had 14 fingers so he wouldn't drop as many passes?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is there anyone on the Redskins offense that you actually like? You've been outspoken against Brunell, now ripping Portis, what's next, Moss would be better if he had 14 fingers so he wouldn't drop as many passes?

Of coarse but know one wants to acknowledge the praises I have for certain players, they only want to hear about the negativity of some.

Bottom line most of the opposition to my point about Portis just proves that many here want to remain blind to the truth, they continue to look at our team through burgandy and gold glasses, refusing to acknowledge reality, and the reality is he is not a top 5 back period. If anyone thinks that he's better than the 5 guy's I mentioned, then take off the burgandy and gold glasses.

If you want to say he's a top 5 blocker in the backfield? By all means, but we could have gotten a cheap h-back to do that.

Kind of funny but Rock looked better than Portis running the ball when he had a chance, I will put the label of durable on Portis which allows him to compile stats, but he's not a top 5 back.


Here's a list of players I do like.

Ramsey, Cooley, Moss, Jansen, Thomas, Betts, Washington, Clemons, Taylor, Clark, Salavea, Griffen, Rogers, Springs.

I am up in the air about Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Marshall - [who I do like but think we can upgrade].

Players I defiently don't like, Brunell, Arrington.

The rest serve a purpose for depth, can't get on them.

I still believe we gave up to much for Portis and could have similar results with other backs but his durability has made him palatable, he has transformed himself into a different type of runner since he left Denver, steroids can do wonders.

But he is not better than, Alexander, Johnson, James, Tiki, or Thomalison, and when healthy Mcalaster.

[Sean Taylor is God]

Originally Posted by offiss

You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.

the two things joe gibbs stresses that he loves about clinton portis are his pass-blocking and physicality. gibbs is not wrong, you are.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by offiss

You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.

It's impossible to take you seriously. Your knowledge of the NFL is atrocious.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's impossible to take you seriously. Your knowledge of the NFL is atrocious.

And it seems to only be getting worse.

Portis on roids?

Are you drunk, offiss?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

You can tac on T.Barber, and E.James, I would add C.Dillion as well.

C.Martin, J.Lewis, P.Holmes, and D.Mcalister have been better up until this past season.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. With the exception of LT, I'd take Portis over any back in the league. Portis is young, a great blocker, a great receiver, a great teammate, and most of all, a great runner. Just about every other back is missing something that Portis has.


Larry Johnson is a close one, but his receiving and pass-blocking skills are sub-par. Johnson looks like a great runner, but I can't say he's better than Portis. Plus, Johnson is running behind the best offensive line in the league.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. With the exception of LT, I'd take Portis over any back in the league. Portis is young, a great blocker, a great receiver, a great teammate, and most of all, a great runner. Just about every other back is missing something that Portis has.


Larry Johnson is a close one, but his receiving and pass-blocking skills are sub-par. Johnson looks like a great runner, but I can't say he's better than Portis. Plus, Johnson is running behind the best offensive line in the league.

I agree. I don't think I've seen anyone play harder than Portis (execpt Butkis or LT and even then the only evidence I have of that is highlights). Everything can't be measured in yards. Remember in 2004 LT had a 3.9 ypc average and everyone (including myself) still thought he was the man. So just b/c Portis didn't average 4.5 ypc doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be talked about as an elite runner (Top 5).

Another thing, I don't think people realized the fact that Clinton had to get used to having 20 extra pounds on his frame. Remember hes been playing since his days at Miami at about 190. The fact that he wasn't a dumb ass and said something like 'Oh man, I don't need to change my style. This is how I run and its worked then so why won't it work now?' Instead Gibbs and him met halfway. As a matter of fact it looked for a while like they were going to pass each other. Gibbs added more speed based plays and Portis tried to become a power runner. Just the fact that Portis was willing to sacrafice his style for the good of the team attest to what a great teammate he is.