CBA talks have broken down again

[70Chip]

I want to believe the following:

"There is absolutely no way the owners and the players union will allow this catastrophe to happen. They are just waiting until the last minute."

However, I have become convinced that someone with the power to stop the deal, doesn't want the deal. Either a group of owners (maybe the gang of 9, maybe not) or the union are determined to go over the cliff.

[Riggo44]

Yea this really sucks! I can't be leave that these guys can't work this out. What greedy bitches! We are going to be really hurting next year if things don't change.

At least in 2007 we will become the Yankees of the NFL. :happybday Untill the owners lock out the players that is! What a freeking mess.

[skinsguy]

I might be dead wrong, but if the CBA doesn't get extended, I have this gut feeling things won't be as bad as they seem right now.

[GoSkins!]

Lets hope when Gibbs said they had a plan for this, he meant it.

Question: How many players do we have to have on the roster on Friday? Is there a minimum?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I might be dead wrong, but if the CBA doesn't get extended, I have this gut feeling things won't be as bad as they seem right now.

I hope you are right. However, Cerrato and Gibbs have both fairly clearly, if implictly, said in recent days that if no extension is reached, it is going to be pretty bad for the team. I'm getting ready to have my heart broken.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I hope you are right. However, Cerrato and Gibbs have both fairly clearly, if implictly, said in recent days that if no extension is reached, it is going to be pretty bad for the team. I'm getting ready to have my heart broken.

Well, let's not worry about it too much yet. Just remember, we're not the only team that will have to deal with this. We have Gibbs on our side...we have a great coaching staff. That is one thing that won't change this coming season. We might lose some players we would rather keep, but it could be a blessing in disguise...you just never know.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, let's not worry about it too much yet. Just remember, we're not the only team that will have to deal with this. We have Gibbs on our side...we have a great coaching staff. That is one thing that won't change this coming season. We might lose some players we would rather keep, but it could be a blessing in disguise...you just never know.

Assuming the extension doesn't get done and our roster blows up, I will be heart broken. However, as you smartly point out, we've got a great coaching staff. I guess it is best to have the cap blow up while Gibbs, Williams, Saunders, and Bugel are here. If anyone can mitigate dramatic losses in talent, it is those guys. While they won't be able to totally mask the deficiencies, they'll do a good job. Good points...

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Assuming the extension doesn't get done and our roster blows up, I will be heart broken. However, as you smartly point out, we've got a great coaching staff. I guess it is best to have the cap blow up while Gibbs, Williams, Saunders, and Bugel are here. If anyone can mitigate dramatic losses in talent, it is those guys. While they won't be able to totally mask the deficiencies, they'll do a good job. Good points...

Gibbs did a lot with guys off the street in a strike year!!!! :headbange

[mooby]

I think there's a minimum of 40 players on the roster, something like that. Either way, we have plenty of roster fill right now, so even if we cut a bunch of players that are actually gonna make the team, we'll still have enough for the minimum.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by mooby

I think there's a minimum of 40 players on the roster, something like that. Either way, we have plenty of roster fill right now, so even if we cut a bunch of players that are actually gonna make the team, we'll still have enough for the minimum.

I was thinking of it backwards. We can help to keep the core intact while we renegotiate contracts by releasing all the roster fill guys. I posted on this before, but I just hope we have a couple of guys willing to give up some cash now so that we can hold onto a couple more guys.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Hey Canuck,

If you see this, could you answer the following question? The cap sheets that we have up shows the veterans' cap figures. I understand that veterans' salaries are higher than their cap figures since teams get cap "rebates" if they sign older veterans. Do your cap figures reflect these "rebates?"

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Hey Canuck,

If you see this, could you answer the following question? The cap sheets that we have up shows the veterans' cap figures. I understand that veterans' salaries are higher than their cap figures since teams get cap "rebates" if they sign older veterans. Do your cap figures reflect these "rebates?"

its only for guys over 450k a year... if they sign with under a 25k bonus and vet min (which could be up over 800k), they don't count over 450k or so.

we're going to need to use a lot of 310k and 235k players to fill out the roster though, even 450k is too much.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Hey Canuck,

If you see this, could you answer the following question? The cap sheets that we have up shows the veterans' cap figures. I understand that veterans' salaries are higher than their cap figures since teams get cap "rebates" if they sign older veterans. Do your cap figures reflect these "rebates?"

Sorry just saw this now.

Ya it's reflected in my sheets. Take Ethan Albright for example. His salary is listed at $770 on the Salaries page. To account for the veteran rebate I added a negative bonus of $310K for him on the OtherBonuses page. So his cap hit on the CapSummary page is $770K - $310K + $25K signing bonus for a total cap hit of $485K.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Sorry just saw this now.

Ya it's reflected in my sheets. Take Ethan Albright for example. His salary is listed at $770 on the Salaries page. To account for the veteran rebate I added a negative bonus of $310K for him on the OtherBonuses page. So his cap hit on the CapSummary page is $770K - $310K + $25K signing bonus for a total cap hit of $485K.

Damn Canuck, you are one smart dude. It must have taken you a long ass time to finish those sheets. On behalf of everyone, thanks.

[bigm29]

so what players would now have to be cut in addition to the cuts expected?