The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb

[saden1]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

Saden1-

What "dept" is Arrington buying? Is it an apartment or department?? Absurd??? Who are you kidding? I note your wide knowledge of finance. If I invest in a venture, why shouldn't I keep the fruits of such a venture? I took the risk. Have you ever heard of capitalism? Maybe even have departments within my venture.

Your argument about "only one NFL" is so obvious. Enlighten us please. We all know there is only one NFL, but if a player doens't f**king like it, go to the Canadian Football League. The Microsoft example was (and is) valid, just like there is one top dog in football, there is only one Microsoft. Have you in your infinite wisdom forgotten that UNLIKE the NFL, Microsoft was sued by the Justice Department, under the antitrust laws. Not once but TWICE!

I can compare an average Joe to an NFL player, when both are in a union. A union to help an average Joe with health benefits, retirement, and maybe moving from $15/hr to $20/hr is something that most people can relate to, maybe you can't, but many can. I can’t blame the union for asking for more for their players, but NOT at the risk of coming away with less!

I am 40, how was recess yesterday?

If you start a company I agree that you should be able to set the rules for how you manage your money. I as an employee I have the right to maximize my earning. That's capitalism too. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. If you want to win and maximize your earnings as an owner, it's in your best interest to field the best players just like it's in the best interest of Microsoft to hire the brightest people. You think the NFL wants to have an anti-trust suits against them? No. Why? Cause they are an illegal entity.

Arrington's money is his money. He can do whatever he wants with it as he EARNED watching vidoes, studying play books and spending countless of hours at the gym. It's not like Arrington is STEALING from Snyder. You make it sound like the players are blackmailing Snyder and et al. If that were true the NFL wouldn't have a CBA to begin with. This is business and everyone has to find mutually satisfactory middle ground.

Last time I checked "if you don't like it, **** off" rarely helps you solve problems. There are many forms of anti-trust. Microsoft's anti trust problems are not out of labor disputes but rather anti competitive activities (killing the competition so to speak). One cannot make comparison between NFL employees and Microsoft employees because Microsoft employees aren't threatening to walkout.

I can't relate to being in a union as I have never been in one. But I do know that the job of a union is not to get screwed in the long run and if that means you hurt a little now so be it. BTW going from $15 to $20 is a 20% increase. The NFL players would be very happy to get 5 percent raise.

I don't know anything about recess but I do know that country folks know nothing about big money. When you do, let me know.

[dan_snyder69]

Originally Posted by saden1

I do know that country folks know nothing about big money. When you do, let me know.

Ok, so Saden you think you know more about money than country people because you live in Seattle, and I'm assuming you work in the financial sector. You really have no basis to say that country people know nothing about money. You don't know my financial status, for all you know, I might know a little bit more about big money than you.

I agree with you that players have the right to try and maximize their salaries, as employees. You would have to acknowledge that they run the risk of screwing themselves by pushing it too far (a greater setback than the wealthier owners would experience.) Because of this, the owners have more leverage in the negotiations, and therefore, the players union is the group that I would say is being more greedy, stupid, and wreckless.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by dan_snyder69

Ok, so Saden you think you know more about money than country people because you live in Seattle, and I'm assuming you work in the financial sector. You really have no basis to say that country people know nothing about money. You don't know my financial status, for all you know, I might know a little bit more about big money than you.

I agree with you that players have the right to try and maximize their salaries, as employees. You would have to acknowledge that they run the risk of screwing themselves by pushing it too far (a greater setback than the wealthier owners would experience.) Because of this, the owners have more leverage in the negotiations, and therefore, the players union is the group that I would say is being more greedy, stupid, and wreckless.

I know country folk, and while country folk care about paying their rent and bills like everyone else there is a difference between country folk and non-county folk. The big difference being the fact that they think 500K for a house is a lot. They don't care what kind of house it is or where it is located. The truth is once you get beyond a certain monetary amount country folks will be overwhelmed. They can't grasp the value of money in relation to the value of property, the cost of goods and lifestyle. Most of the current players are country folks who have worked hard to earn their keep. Some players have grasped the value of money while others are still country and are spending it as if it's monopoly money.

I don't know your financial status nor do I care. I will say this though, one's speech on money matters can hint at the financial status. My family has gone from very rich to dirt poor to middle class. I know the value of money and what matters is making enough money to live the life you want. All I am saying is that no one has the right to call someone else greedy for trying to negotiate for better wages.

As for who has the upper hand, well the NFL players of course. If they didn't they wouldn't be getting the bigger percentage of the revenue right now.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by saden1

I know country folk, and while country folk care about paying their rent and bills like everyone else there is a difference between country folk and non-county folk. The big difference being the fact that they think 500K for a house is a lot. They don't care what kind of house it is or where it is located. The truth is once you get beyond a certain monetary amount country folks will be overwhelmed. They can't grasp the value of money in relation to the value of property, the cost of goods and lifestyle. Most of the current players are country folks who have worked hard to earn their keep. Some players have grasped the value of money while others are still country and are spending it as if it's monopoly money.

that's not a sweeping and derogatory generalization by any means...

maybe we can get bac on topic without pointlessly insulting each other?