Lavar Gone

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I think Lavar and Williams have had issues the whole time that Williams has been with Washington. Williams will probably be here for a while and our next head coach. The team and Lavar know this and may have just thought it was time to part ways.

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly. I think the person most dissillusioned with LaVar was Williams. I have said it before and I will say it again: When GW came here, he was counting on LA to be the defensive force w/in his scheme. For reasons known only to him (though guessed at by the majority of us) GW was quickly dissuaded of that notion. LaVar had a few big games for GW, including the TBay game, but, nevertheless, he just didn't seem to "get it". LaVar WAS the face of the team when it was disorganized and losing. He stuck by it and truly wanted to win - but when push came to shove, he chaffed under the discipline and self-sacrifice demanded of winners in this league (see - M. Lewis, G. Williams). And, unfortunately (and unlike Ramsey), he needed to make his discomfort known. He reveled in the fan adoration during his success, but he seemed to need the fans, rather than the coaches, to love him during his most recent problems.

LaVar, at his peak, was an exceptional talent who clearly was able to cover for any lack of discipline by his sheer speed, strenght, and instincts. Now, however, his speed is called into question, and the defense he played in relies more on team scheme/cohesion rather than individual instinct.

LaVar may be successful somewhere else (SD has been mentioned, but I doubt it as Marty appears to be on the outs w/ ownership there), but he will always ALWAYS break some D Coordinator's heart by just not doing the small things he is supposed to do. He never has, and likely never will.

I am not here to rehash the debate on LaVar v. Gibbs/Williams/the Great Conspiracy. These are just my opinions (which I believe to be well supported).

He is in many ways a class guy. He is, in my opinion and in many ways, also a bit of head case. I wish him well and hope he has success in all his endeavors (except when playing the Skins).

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

Not quite yet. You just KNOW this thing will hang around for MONTHS (especially if he goes to an NFC East team).

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly. I think the person most dissillusioned with LaVar was Williams. I have said it before and I will say it again: When GW came here, he was counting on LA to be the defensive force w/in his scheme. For reasons known only to him (though guessed at by the majority of us) GW was quickly dissuaded of that notion. LaVar had a few big games for GW, including the TBay game, but, nevertheless, he just didn't seem to "get it". LaVar WAS the face of the team when it was disorganized and losing. He stuck by it and truly wanted to win - but when push came to shove, he chaffed under the discipline and self-sacrifice demanded of winners in this league (see - M. Lewis, G. Williams). And, unfortunately (and unlike Ramsey), he needed to make his discomfort known. He reveled in the fan adoration during his success, but he seemed to need the fans, rather than the coaches, to love him during his most recent problems.

LaVar, at his peak, was an exceptional talent who clearly was able to cover for any lack of discipline by his sheer speed, strenght, and instincts. Now, however, his speed is called into question, and the defense he played in relies more on team scheme/cohesion rather than individual instinct.

LaVar may be successful somewhere else (SD has been mentioned, but I doubt it as Marty appears to be on the outs w/ ownership there), but he will always ALWAYS break some D Coordinator's heart by just not doing the small things he is supposed to do. He never has, and likely never will.

I am not here to rehash the debate on LaVar v. Gibbs/Williams/the Great Conspiracy. These are just my opinions (which I believe to be well supported).

He is in many ways a class guy. He is, in my opinion and in many ways, also a bit of head case. I wish him well and hope he has success in all his endeavors (except when playing the Skins).

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

Well said. when coaches are willing to publicly chide a player, they're really frustrated.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly. I think the person most dissillusioned with LaVar was Williams. I have said it before and I will say it again: When GW came here, he was counting on LA to be the defensive force w/in his scheme. For reasons known only to him (though guessed at by the majority of us) GW was quickly dissuaded of that notion. LaVar had a few big games for GW, including the TBay game, but, nevertheless, he just didn't seem to "get it". LaVar WAS the face of the team when it was disorganized and losing. He stuck by it and truly wanted to win - but when push came to shove, he chaffed under the discipline and self-sacrifice demanded of winners in this league (see - M. Lewis, G. Williams). And, unfortunately (and unlike Ramsey), he needed to make his discomfort known. He reveled in the fan adoration during his success, but he seemed to need the fans, rather than the coaches, to love him during his most recent problems.

LaVar, at his peak, was an exceptional talent who clearly was able to cover for any lack of discipline by his sheer speed, strenght, and instincts. Now, however, his speed is called into question, and the defense he played in relies more on team scheme/cohesion rather than individual instinct.

LaVar may be successful somewhere else (SD has been mentioned, but I doubt it as Marty appears to be on the outs w/ ownership there), but he will always ALWAYS break some D Coordinator's heart by just not doing the small things he is supposed to do. He never has, and likely never will.

I am not here to rehash the debate on LaVar v. Gibbs/Williams/the Great Conspiracy. These are just my opinions (which I believe to be well supported).

He is in many ways a class guy. He is, in my opinion and in many ways, also a bit of head case. I wish him well and hope he has success in all his endeavors (except when playing the Skins).

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

SO RIGHT IS SO MANY WAYS. He was really never our L.T. was he? A number 2 pick[1st round] in a draft is goen with so so numbers to show for that. Do you think he will ever be the same player he was be for being hurt or is he just a average NFL player now?

[mheisig]

I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed, but at the same time I guess we have to move on. Lavar was a class act and I wish him the best, so long as this doesn't come back to bite use in the ass.

You know, at a certain point I wonder who the hell I'm rooting for anymore. I've been a Skins fan since I was born and can't imagine it any other way. But after seeing players come and go on an almost yearly basis, I start to question what exactly I'm cheering for. It seems like the actual players don't even matter anymore, I'm basically rooting for a burgandy and gold uniform. Even if that person in the uniform was wearing orange and blue or silver and black last year and will be wearing green and white next year.

Whatever...guess I'm just kind of bummed. No such thing anymore as a TRUE Redskin, just somebody who's donning the uniform for a year or two before moving on.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed, but at the same time I guess we have to move on. Lavar was a class act and I wish him the best, so long as this doesn't come back to bite use in the ass.

You know, at a certain point I wonder who the hell I'm rooting for anymore. I've been a Skins fan since I was born and can't imagine it any other way. But after seeing players come and go on an almost yearly basis, I start to question what exactly I'm cheering for. It seems like the actual players don't even matter anymore, I'm basically rooting for a burgandy and gold uniform. Even if that person in the uniform was wearing orange and blue or silver and black last year and will be wearing green and white next year.

Whatever...guess I'm just kind of bummed. No such thing anymore as a TRUE Redskin, just somebody who's donning the uniform for a year or two before moving on.

lavar wasn't picked by this staff. I think as long as the staff stays, their players will stay.

I mean, wynn's production hasn't been earth shattering and he's overpaid, but they like him in the lockerroom, so he's sticking around. washington, etc etc.

but once contracts expire its anyone's guess.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed, but at the same time I guess we have to move on. Lavar was a class act and I wish him the best, so long as this doesn't come back to bite use in the ass.

You know, at a certain point I wonder who the hell I'm rooting for anymore. I've been a Skins fan since I was born and can't imagine it any other way. But after seeing players come and go on an almost yearly basis, I start to question what exactly I'm cheering for. It seems like the actual players don't even matter anymore, I'm basically rooting for a burgandy and gold uniform. Even if that person in the uniform was wearing orange and blue or silver and black last year and will be wearing green and white next year.

Whatever...guess I'm just kind of bummed. No such thing anymore as a TRUE Redskin, just somebody who's donning the uniform for a year or two before moving on.

Like Jerry Seinfeld said, you are rooting for clothes.

[Drago]

I liked Lavar and he will be missed by the fans, unfortunaltely the defense won't miss him. Where he will he hurt us the most, should we play the team that picks him up will be on offense. We better get Jason Campbell ready in a hurry.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

SO RIGHT IS SO MANY WAYS. He was really never our L.T. was he? A number 2 pick[1st round] in a draft is goen with so so numbers to show for that. Do you think he will ever be the same player he was be for being hurt or is he just a average NFL player now?

he should be fully recovered next season. at least as much as possible. I think he should have 100+ tackle seasons and more than 2 sacks again next year.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he should be fully recovered next season. at least as much as possible. I think he should have 100+ tackle seasons and more than 2 sacks again next year.

The question can you get a player of your roster,free agent or draft a linebacker to do these same things at a lower price then LA was getting? The second question should a line backer command that much of your Cap?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

The question can you get a player of your roster,free agent or draft a linebacker to do these same things at a lower price then LA was getting? The second question should a line backer command that much of your Cap?

yes, shawn merriman is currently cheaper than lavar would be. urlacher's current deal is relatively cheap. I'm not really sure a 12mill a year linebacker is the best use of cap... it really depends on the price/production though compared to alternate monetary allocations.