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[Frost]

david patten,, i hate that guy,, plus he sucks.. i know it aint gonna happen but still it would be nice,m hey isnt fred smooth a free agent or getting released from the vikes ? hmm that would be cool if he came back

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Frost

david patten,, i hate that guy,, plus he sucks.. i know it aint gonna happen but still it would be nice,m hey isnt fred smooth a free agent or getting released from the vikes ? hmm that would be cool if he came back

patten is 86 yards a game, and clearly the #2 WR we have. ditching him would be dumb, he's pretty cheap.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

patten is 86 yards a game, and clearly the #2 WR we have. ditching him would be dumb, he's pretty cheap.

86 yards a game? On what planet?

9 games played, 217 total yards, 0 TD. That's 24 yards a game. One game with > 60 yards receiving. ONE. And he had 7 catches that game, so the ypc is pretty abysmal.

Dump Patten. Dump Thrash. Dump Jacobs. Your net loss there is 25 yards a game of receiving. If you can't get a 25 yard/game guy off the FA wire, might as well hang it up.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by dgack

86 yards a game? On what planet?

9 games played, 217 total yards, 0 TD. That's 24 yards a game. One game with > 60 yards receiving. ONE. And he had 7 catches that game, so the ypc is pretty abysmal.

Dump Patten. Dump Thrash. Dump Jacobs. Your net loss there is 25 yards a game of receiving. If you can't get a 25 yard/game guy off the FA wire, might as well hang it up.

why would u dump patten what are u talking about...he's good, brunell just never really looked at him...and notice moss did better when patten was on the field

and he'll be better with al saunders

[Frost]

man all i saw of patten is dropped balls left and right, no wonder brunell never threw to him,, plus he is short,, we need a tall wr,, you know some one i would pick to compliment moss is joe jurevicius,, that is one tough sob

[dgack]

Originally Posted by steveo395

why would u dump patten what are u talking about...he's good, brunell just never really looked at him...and notice moss did better when patten was on the field

and he'll be better with al saunders

Look at Patten's career numbers. He is never going to be a world beater. And last year he set career lows for yards per catch, under 10. He's 32, has never been great, and missed 7 games last year with near career low production.

And some of you guys complained Bruce was too old? Old Man Bruce caught for more yards and TD's in his last 3 years than Patten has in his last 5.

He's a WR2 and that's all fine and good, but you shouldn't be looking at a guy in his TENTH year and going "oh he'll be better with Al Saunders".

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by dgack

Look at Patten's career numbers. He is never going to be a world beater. And last year he set career lows for yards per catch, under 10. He's 32, has never been great, and missed 7 games last year with near career low production.

And some of you guys complained Bruce was too old? Old Man Bruce caught for more yards and TD's in his last 3 years than Patten has in his last 5.

He's a WR2 and that's all fine and good, but you shouldn't be looking at a guy in his TENTH year and going "oh he'll be better with Al Saunders".

i'm not saying that we don't need to sign another WR, im just saying that we shouldn't cut patten

and unless he gets a horrible injury, he will be better with saunders

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by dgack

86 yards a game? On what planet?

9 games played, 217 total yards, 0 TD. That's 24 yards a game. One game with > 60 yards receiving. ONE. And he had 7 catches that game, so the ypc is pretty abysmal.

Dump Patten. Dump Thrash. Dump Jacobs. Your net loss there is 25 yards a game of receiving. If you can't get a 25 yard/game guy off the FA wire, might as well hang it up.

I'm not sure, but I think the 86 yards per game refers to the drop off in team passing yards once he left.
We need another receiver, but Patten was not doing a bad job. Brunnel and him were not in sync early, and once they started to get it together, he got hurt. Go back and look at the game film and you will see what I'm talking about.

[SmootSmack]

I have a feeling that David Patten will be like this year's Mark Brunell. A year ago at this time 2/3rds of Redskins fans (rough estimate) were saying he had to go. That all changed in 2005. I think the same may happen with Patten

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by dgack

86 yards a game? On what planet?

9 games played, 217 total yards, 0 TD. That's 24 yards a game. One game with > 60 yards receiving. ONE. And he had 7 catches that game, so the ypc is pretty abysmal.

Dump Patten. Dump Thrash. Dump Jacobs. Your net loss there is 25 yards a game of receiving. If you can't get a 25 yard/game guy off the FA wire, might as well hang it up.

that'd be on earth sir. he pulled coverage and left others open. do the math.

he averaged 24yard/game
moss got 30 more yard/game before his injury
other receivers got 8 more yards/game before his injury than after
TEs got 10 more yard/game receiving before his injury
RBs got 14 more yard/game receiving before his injury

that's 86 extra receiving yards a game.

people are so eager to send him down river, but he really did help others get open (especially moss, cooley, and portis). I think if he's back even as the #2, you'll see better production of the passing game. He's somebody you have to keep cause he's WAY better than anyone else we've got (barring moss).

[dgack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

that'd be on earth sir. he pulled coverage and left others open. do the math.

he averaged 24yard/game
moss got 30 more yard/game before his injury
other receivers got 8 more yards/game before his injury than after
TEs got 10 more yard/game receiving before his injury
RBs got 14 more yard/game receiving before his injury

that's 86 extra receiving yards a game.

That's some interesting number-crunching -- did Patten's agent come up with that? I mean, I hear what you're saying -- any WR2 who can catch halfway reliably is going to draw some coverage. But what you're describing is the failure of any other WR on the team to catch a ball, not Patten's excellence.

You can also see that Portis' workload increased dramatically once defenses were able to key on Santana and Cooley. That's doesn't mean that Patten can magically manifest an extra 40 yards a game of rushing by His Mere Presence. It just means the coaching staff adjusted their game plan.

Look, I'm not saying Patten is horrible. He's a serviceable veteran who's capable of catching a few footballs. I just don't buy this whole "Patten's our WR2 and this year when he's healthy he's going to kick ass" line of debate.

There's just nothing in his recent game performances or statlines that provide any reason to think that he's going to suddenly become some badass, game breaking WR2. And for that reason, I think we absolutely need to sign someone who *can* provide that kind of threat.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by dgack

That's some interesting number-crunching -- did Patten's agent come up with that? I mean, I hear what you're saying -- any WR2 who can catch halfway reliably is going to draw some coverage. But what you're describing is the failure of any other WR on the team to catch a ball, not Patten's excellence.

You can also see that Portis' workload increased dramatically once defenses were able to key on Santana and Cooley. That's doesn't mean that Patten can magically manifest an extra 40 yards a game of rushing by His Mere Presence. It just means the coaching staff adjusted their game plan.

Look, I'm not saying Patten is horrible. He's a serviceable veteran who's capable of catching a few footballs. I just don't buy this whole "Patten's our WR2 and this year when he's healthy he's going to kick ass" line of debate.

There's just nothing in his recent game performances or statlines that provide any reason to think that he's going to suddenly become some badass, game breaking WR2. And for that reason, I think we absolutely need to sign someone who *can* provide that kind of threat.

i'm not against signing someone else, but i do think people are to quick to dump on patten. Once he went down, the fact that the change to running more was so drastic should show that he was important.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Frost

david patten,, i hate that guy,, plus he sucks.. i know it aint gonna happen but still it would be nice,m hey isnt fred smooth a free agent or getting released from the vikes ? hmm that would be cool if he came back

I thought about starting a thread on this.

That would be awesome if they could get Smoot for cheap. He was terrible last year and would be a great 3rd corner.

He would definitely come back.

[SKINFANFOLIFE]

Is The Vikes Really Conna Release Him

[SmootSmack]

I don't think Smoot is going anywhere. I hear he's added 11 pounds of muscle, according to twincities.com

He must have gotten the 'roids from Clinton Portis.