Good luck with B-Lloyd

[9erman]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

Mad props to you 9erMan.

We get Lloyd. You still are stuck with Nolan. We remember him from when he was running the Clay Aiken style defense here before he finally got fired (Snyder got tired of taking it like he was Clay Aiken). Hmmm. Who is going to be available in the 3rd round this year or the 4th next year that will be an upgrade?

Granted, you guys are in rebuild mode and two mid round picks may make more sense (no, you can forget about two second rounders).

The big value of Lloyd to us is how he will fit into the bigger picture of the offense. He will make our QB better and our other WRs better. He isn't going to have to be The Man.

He was forced into a role in SF that he simply A) wasn't ready for and B) didn't have the team around him that would have given him any chance to succeed.

This deal will probably work out to be good for everybody.

I hope the deal works out for both if us. Norv will want a WR that can get downfield which Lloyd is not. You need role players like Lloyd to help your overall offense. Eric Johnson will be back, we will have Vernon Davis, and our line will be much better so I am not worried about replacing his receptions.

Lloyd may help a team that has a #1 sure....but he is not very fast and does not go over the middle so he will never be worth a day 1 pick IMO.

The vanilla defense Nolan ran in DC had a lot to do with the lack of talent and many injuries on your defense. He is a good motivator and will not be calling the plays

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by 9erman

I hope the deal works out for both if us. Norv will want a WR that can get downfield which Lloyd is not. You need role players like Lloyd to help your overall offense. Eric Johnson will be back, we will have Vernon Davis, and our line will be much better so I am not worried about replacing his receptions.

Lloyd may help a team that has a #1 sure....but he is not very fast and does not go over the middle so he will never be worth a day 1 pick IMO.

The vanilla defense Nolan ran in DC had a lot to do with the lack of talent and many injuries on your defense. He is a good motivator and will not be calling the plays

hahahahahaha you guys have norv...seriously that sucks

[9erman]

Originally Posted by steveo395

hahahahahaha you guys have norv...seriously that sucks

As a OC he is great....as a HC he sux.

We have also contacted the agent for David Givens.

[LongTimeSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by 9erman

The vanilla defense Nolan ran in DC had a lot to do with the lack of talent and many injuries on your defense. He is a good motivator and will not be calling the plays

I've also seen him run the same defense in NY (giants) and Baltimore when both teams had talent. While he is the most talked about DC he is far from the best. His love affair with prevent defenses is sickening and lack of agressiveness has cost his teams many a game.

Furthermore, on the subject of Norv, I couldn't agree more. He is a horrible HC. Can't motivate, is too soft on the players, and can't seem to garner their respect because he's too busy trying to be everyone's best friend. As an OC, he is an incredible offensive mind. Give him a top flite running back, tight end, and QB and he'll put together a solid offense for you.

We'll see what happens with Lloyd. There's lots of nay-sayers out there, no doubt, but then again everyone said that trading Moss for Coles would be a bust. Well it was for the Jets at least. We got a pro-bowl receiver out of the deal and the Jets got a Toe-bowl receiver. We're giving up a 3rd RD and 4th RD (don't listen to what the Post says, 90% of the time they make up stories on the laptop as they go along and call it news) so I feel it's pretty even in terms of value. We'll see if he's got the stuff to be the #2. I think there's going to be some heated competition for that position in SC and he'll be one of the contenders.

[9erman]

Originally Posted by LongTimeSkinsFan

I've also seen him run the same defense in NY (giants) and Baltimore when both teams had talent. While he is the most talked about DC he is far from the best. His love affair with prevent defenses is sickening and lack of agressiveness has cost his teams many a game.

Furthermore, on the subject of Norv, I couldn't agree more. He is a horrible HC. Can't motivate, is too soft on the players, and can't seem to garner their respect because he's too busy trying to be everyone's best friend. As an OC, he is an incredible offensive mind. Give him a top flite running back, tight end, and QB and he'll put together a solid offense for you.

We'll see what happens with Lloyd. There's lots of nay-sayers out there, no doubt, but then again everyone said that trading Moss for Coles would be a bust. Well it was for the Jets at least. We got a pro-bowl receiver out of the deal and the Jets got a Toe-bowl receiver. We're giving up a 3rd RD and 4th RD (don't listen to what the Post says, 90% of the time they make up stories on the laptop as they go along and call it news) so I feel it's pretty even in terms of value. We'll see if he's got the stuff to be the #2. I think there's going to be some heated competition for that position in SC and he'll be one of the contenders.

Good post....I think that we come out great here by picking up draft picks and replacing Lloyd through FA. I wish y'all the best of luck with both Lloyd and Carter and I hope they do well for you.
BEAT THE COWBOYS!!!!!!

[RiggoRules]

Originally Posted by 9erman

Good post....I think that we come out great here by picking up draft picks and replacing Lloyd through FA. I wish y'all the best of luck with both Lloyd and Carter and I hope they do well for you.
BEAT THE COWBOYS!!!!!!

You know, 9erman, you have been spending quite a bit of time over here lately. Isn't this really a cry for help? Aren't you really saying that you have experienced too much pain rooting for the 49ers as of late and are looking for a soft place to land? We understand. We'll welcome you over to the Burgandy and Gold with open arms.

[9erman]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

You know, 9erman, you have been spending quite a bit of time over here lately. Isn't this really a cry for help? Aren't you really saying that you have experienced too much pain rooting for the 49ers as of late and are looking for a soft place to land? We understand. We'll welcome you over to the Burgandy and Gold with open arms.

There is a poster on our sites called DesperateJetsFan. He does the same as me.....just needs another source of conversation.
P.S. I will die a 9er fan

[skinsgt]

I really don't know how you can say that lloyd isn't a down field reciever because it looks to me that he can be. Anyway, lloyd will be a third reciever, second at best so I don't think that we need him to have the weight of the recieving core on his shoulders like he did in san fran.

David Patten will be back from injuries and he can catch balls anywhere on the field. Lloyd's speed and quickness will give us options in the passing game that teams have to respect and that will open up the field for everyone else.

For a third and fourth round pick that is a bargain. Considering that our last reciever pick was Taylor Jacobs in the second round I am more than happy picking up a free agent than an unknown third round rookie.

Good luck with the picks niner but I think we got the best of this deal.

"I know we don't have any Dallas people here -- they are the ugliest people in the world."
- Joe Gibbs

[LongTimeSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by skinsgt

I really don't know how you can say that lloyd isn't a down field reciever because it looks to me that he can be. Anyway, lloyd will be a third reciever, second at best so I don't think that we need him to have the weight of the recieving core on his shoulders like he did in san fran.

David Patten will be back from injuries and he can catch balls anywhere on the field. Lloyd's speed and quickness will give us options in the passing game that teams have to respect and that will open up the field for everyone else.

Following up on my previous post, there WILL be a competition for the #2 WR in camp. With the signing of Randell-El it looks like we'll have Lloyd, Randell-El, and Patten squaring off against each other. Skillswise I don't see us losing out no matter who wins because the two odd men out will make for some hellacious depth at WR. It's a little premature, but this could be the most potent offense we had since the late 1980s.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by LongTimeSkinsFan

We'll see what happens with Lloyd. There's lots of nay-sayers out there, no doubt, but then again everyone said that trading Moss for Coles would be a bust. Well it was for the Jets at least. We got a pro-bowl receiver out of the deal and the Jets got a Toe-bowl receiver. We're giving up a 3rd RD and 4th RD (don't listen to what the Post says, 90% of the time they make up stories on the laptop as they go along and call it news) so I feel it's pretty even in terms of value. We'll see if he's got the stuff to be the #2. I think there's going to be some heated competition for that position in SC and he'll be one of the contenders.

none of the nay sayers said anything bad about moss's attitude (quite the oppossite), just that they thought cole was better (the jets fans didn't know we gave him back with only 8 fingers and 9 toes), and santana went out of bounds too often (which he didn't here, but we never threw between the numbers either) and that he had yearly hamstring issues (which we avoided).