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[Sociofan]

Originally Posted by That Guy

in brunell'ss case it was an actual pay cut. 3 players would have had to take pay cuts to lower their cap values this year to be complaint with the 30% rule if no new cba had been signed.

the new cba eliminates the 30% rule, allows more bonus to prorated signing bonus options to be used and lets you prorate over 5 years (instead of 4).

5 years instead of 4? That means nothing. Do you know how many players on this team were here 5 years ago?


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Chris Samuels


It just means you are more likely to get hit with a sizeable bonus write-off penalty (dead cap space) somewhere inside of five years from now.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Sociofan

5 years instead of 4? That means nothing. Do you know how many players on this team were here 5 years ago?


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Chris Samuels

really, i was under the impression that jon jansen was here as well.

[Sociofan]

Originally Posted by mooby

really, i was under the impression that jon jansen was here as well.

My mistake. I forgot about Jansen.

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My concern is that few players make it 5 years with a team anymore. So if you take a $10M signing bonus and cut the guy after 3 years (having prorated over the five), you take a $4M dead cap hit instead of $2.5 if you were forced to prorate over 4.

While effective in the short term, it just seems that it could lead to bigger salary cap issues further down the line.

I would be curious if a team is allowed to accelerate bonuses during years when they are under the cap without actually restructuring the bonuses. That would allow more flexibility within that 5 year window to avoid salary cap issues and avoid cutting players you really don't want to lose just to get under the cap.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Sociofan

My mistake. I forgot about Jansen.

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My concern is that few players make it 5 years with a team anymore. So if you take a $10M signing bonus and cut the guy after 3 years (having prorated over the five), you take a $4M dead cap hit instead of $2.5 if you were forced to prorate over 4.

While effective in the short term, it just seems that it could lead to bigger salary cap issues further down the line.

I would be curious if a team is allowed to accelerate bonuses during years when they are under the cap without actually restructuring the bonuses. That would allow more flexibility within that 5 year window to avoid salary cap issues and avoid cutting players you really don't want to lose just to get under the cap.

i agree it's just pushing the problem back a couple years and making it worse. (but again, a new cba or new tv contracts can provide bail outs like we saw this year).

i think signing bonus money has to be equally distributed, but in past years danny has taken part of next year's base salary from a player that's going to return and turned it into a bonus. that's the easiest way to move money forward that i know of.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Sociofan

5 years instead of 4? That means nothing. Do you know how many players on this team were here 5 years ago?


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Chris Samuels


It just means you are more likely to get hit with a sizeable bonus write-off penalty (dead cap space) somewhere inside of five years from now.

maybe you misinterpreted my post. I said nothing about players being on the team, I said for cap accounting purposes, and that extra year saves us close to 7.5mill this year that allows us to sign other players (without converting other bonuses or base salary).