LaVar to the Bengals- Maybe

[RiggoRules]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I just posted a link to every post he's made. Go read up on what happened before you got here.

First off pain, I was here for quite a while before I registered.

Second, I have followed his posts. I haven't seen any posts where he has expressed any feelings or frustrations regarding LA that are unique or merit you bringing the smack. Lots of people are most highly pissed off that the management showed him the disrespect they did and didn't do more to make this thing work.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

First off pain, I was here for quite a while before I registered.

Second, I have followed his posts. I haven't seen any posts where he has expressed any feelings or frustrations regarding LA that are unique or merit you bringing the smack. Lots of people are most highly pissed off that the management showed him the disrespect they did and didn't do more to make this thing work.

Thanks for coming to my defense. Not a lot of people do that. Its amazing how I can say things about how I feel about this whole situation, my opinions, and I get labled as a LaVar lover and Redskin hater. Some people just want everyone to agree with them, and if you dont your wrong. I have come to terms with that out here. Just pisses me off from time to time, especially when my loyalty to the skins is questioned. Hey, I wish he could have stayed, but financially we couldn't do it, and I believe personality issues were also the reason, no matter who was as fault they just couldn't survive together. It happens. I hope he does well with the next team, just not against us.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

Lots of people are most highly pissed off that the management showed him the disrespect they did and didn't do more to make this thing work.

I can't stand this argument, it just makes no sense to me. Do more to make it work? Um, we went to the playoffs with him playing one of the smallest roles on the team in his entire career last year. We needed his cap room more than we needed him, and that's the bottom line. It's not about trying hard to make things work. It's about giving the team the best chance to win.

By no means do I think Ramsey ever got the opportunity Brunell got. But you know what, them's the breaks. We went 10-6 under Brunell and the rest is history.

I don't care what's fair for the individual players, that's not a TEAM mentality.

[RiggoRules]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can't stand this argument, it just makes no sense to me. Do more to make it work? Um, we went to the playoffs with him playing one of the smallest roles on the team in his entire career last year. We needed his cap room more than we needed him, and that's the bottom line. It's not about trying hard to make things work. It's about giving the team the best chance to win.

I don't care what's fair for the individual players, that's not a TEAM mentality.

My arguement isn't a football one. It is a business and fan relations one (fan relations is an area where I am extremely down on Skins management).

They sold us this player super hard. Millions of loyal Skins fans drank the #56 Kool Aid. Then they decided to go totally Brokeback Mountain on him, and in turn, us the fans.

The problem isn't that Mommy and Daddy split up, the problem is that it was a really nasty break up with lots of screaming and yelling and everything else short of being featured on an episode of COPS. Now we're all afraid they don't love us any more.

Players move on. We'll get over it. It is just unfortunate that it had to go down this way -- because of things that happened on both sides. It simply didn't need to happen like this.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

My arguement isn't a football one. It is a business and fan relations one (fan relations is an area where I am extremely down on Skins management).

They sold us this player super hard. Millions of loyal Skins fans drank the #56 Kool Aid. Then they decided to go totally Brokeback Mountain on him, and in turn, us the fans.

The problem isn't that Mommy and Daddy split up, the problem is that it was a really nasty break up with lots of screaming and yelling and everything else short of being featured on an episode of COPS. Now we're all afraid they don't love us any more.

Players move on. We'll get over it. It is just unfortunate that it had to go down this way -- because of things that happened on both sides. It simply didn't need to happen like this.

Well said, this is an area where the danny needs to mature & I think he will. Where I will disagree is that Lavar & his agents brought some of this on & that's where we don't know all the details (this link is funny -http://www.pennlive.com/weblogs/pas...es/2004_03.html - perhaps Lavar really thought danny was trying to curse him!).
But it would do the team well on & off the field to take a less hardball stance on some things. I think Gibbs plays the good cop extra now that he works for the Danny.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

My arguement isn't a football one. It is a business and fan relations one (fan relations is an area where I am extremely down on Skins management).

They sold us this player super hard. Millions of loyal Skins fans drank the #56 Kool Aid. Then they decided to go totally Brokeback Mountain on him, and in turn, us the fans.

The problem isn't that Mommy and Daddy split up, the problem is that it was a really nasty break up with lots of screaming and yelling and everything else short of being featured on an episode of COPS. Now we're all afraid they don't love us any more.

Players move on. We'll get over it. It is just unfortunate that it had to go down this way -- because of things that happened on both sides. It simply didn't need to happen like this.

OK see I just don't understand that one bit. Fan relations?? Who the frick cares!? The whole reason to be a fan of individual players in the first place is because they play for your TEAM! You would rather hate on management for not trying to make it work, rather than appreciate them for doing what is in the best interests of the team going forward?

You don't try to make things work just for keeping up fan relations. That would be seriously misplacing your priorities. We cut Arrington because his cap room helps the team more than keeping him would. That's management's way of doing what it takes to win more games. That should be the fans' #1 priority, wins. Not relations with a certain player, or the marketability of that player.

I get the feeling that Lavar's release has angered a lot of people solely because they purchased his jersey, and now they feel like their purchase is worthless. And if that's the case, I'd say to those people that they need to get their priorities straight.

[RiggoRules]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK see I just don't understand that one bit. Fan relations?? Who the frick cares!? The whole reason to be a fan of individual players in the first place is because they play for your TEAM! You would rather hate on management for not trying to make it work, rather than appreciate them for doing what is in the best interests of the team going forward?

You don't try to make things work just for keeping up fan relations. That would be seriously misplacing your priorities. We cut Arrington because his cap room helps the team more than keeping him would. That's management's way of doing what it takes to win more games. That should be the fans' #1 priority, wins. Not relations with a certain player, or the marketability of that player.

I get the feeling that Lavar's release has angered a lot of people solely because they purchased his jersey, and now they feel like their purchase is worthless. And if that's the case, I'd say to those people that they need to get their priorities straight.

Arrington didn't get cut because of the cap. The cap is merely a benefit of the cut, not a reason for it. Many will argue that he didn't even get cut for football reasons -- the relationship was broken and couldn't be fixed.

I don't own a #56 (#28 & #44 only) and the people I know who are most upset about this don't own any gear at all.

You are talking about a player that people went nuts for when he walked on the field. This is the guy who knocked Clay Aikman into the broadcast booth. This is a guy whose picture is next to the word enthusiasm in the dictionary.

It's like the Sopranos. Sometimes, somebody we all like has to get wacked. It's sad and unfortunate, but sometimes it has to happen and I actually agree it had to happen in this case. But instead of taking him out in the woods, they did him right in front of his family.

But the #56 issue isn't my big problem with Skins management. Most of my heart burn has to do with a whole host of different ways that we as fans are treated like sheep that need to be sheared rather than loyal customers.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

You are talking about a player that people went nuts for when he walked on the field. This is the guy who knocked Clay Aikman into the broadcast booth. This is a guy whos picture is next to the word enthusiasm in the dictionary.

Clay Aikman? Troy Aikman and Clay Aiken's love child?

[RiggoRules]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Clay Aikman? Troy Aikman and Clay Aiken's love child?

Okay, maybe I crossed the line by merging the names of a couple of guys who badly need to come out of the closet. ;-)

[jermus22]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

My arguement isn't a football one. It is a business and fan relations one (fan relations is an area where I am extremely down on Skins management).

The problem isn't that Mommy and Daddy split up, the problem is that it was a really nasty break up with lots of screaming and yelling and everything else short of being featured on an episode of COPS. Now we're all afraid they don't love us any more.

So is Lavar playing the role of Mommy or Daddy?