Who starts at QB?

[NAVYSKINSFAN]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I can't imagine paying two million a year to hire an OC and then not giving him the final say on who plays QB in his scheme. Joe Gibbs will have input surely but Saunders will make the call.

However, the Ramsey Bridge was burned before Saunders got here. He doesn't want to play here.

Joe Gibbs is a Hall of Fame coach. He may LET Saunders make the call. But Gibbs has the power.

[Sociofan]

Originally Posted by NFLeurope

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.

I agree completely. Patrick was (and may still be) an excellent raw talent. He's tough, he's smart and he's strong. He tried to force throws where receivers were not getting separation and was picked frequently. But that was a problem with the receivers, not the QB. He was young and wanted to make plays. With the new WR talent on the squad, he'd look like the second coming of Elway if given half a REAL chance. I will miss not seeing Ramsey blossom in a Redskin uniform. Like Lavar, he deserved better.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NFLeurope

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.

If everyone in the league saw what you might see in Ramsey he would be gone by now. He is a low price pick up for another team and they are not going after him. I thought that a team by now might have picked up Ramsey just to bring in a QB that could compete for the starting job and if not the starter a solid back up. Maybe other teams see what Gibbs see in Ramsey and are not willing to take the chance on him. He will find a new team but I think it will be as a back up for the first year atleast.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If everyone in the league saw what you might see in Ramsey he would be gone by now. He is a low price pick up for another team and they are not going after him. I thought that a team by now might have picked up Ramsey just to bring in a QB that could compete for the starting job and if not the starter a solid back up. Maybe other teams see what Gibbs see in Ramsey and are not willing to take the chance on him. He will find a new team but I think it will be as a back up for the first year atleast.

some teams (like cinncy) HAVE gone after him, but he's refused to visit them.

[#56fanatic]

We have waited way to long to deal Ramsey. Jets were offering a 3rd or so for him last year, maybe even higher I honestly dont remember. The fact everyone in the league knew after the 1st half of the 1st game that Ramsey was going to be else where at the start of next season has dropped his trade value dramatically. Teams know the skins are going to drop him, no matter what happens. All this who-ha about waiting to see what happens was a load of crap. they wanted teams to offer something in regards of players or draft picks. Fact is, they know we are releasing him, why give away picks when we can get him on FA market and keep the picks. Ramseys Market will pick up when he is released in the next few days. I think they are really crapping on him right now, especially the way he has handled himself the last two years. Never saying anything bad about the team, supporting Brunell and cheering him on. I saw him repeatedly be the first one on the field to congratulate Brunell after thowing a TD pass. I hope Ramsey goes on to become a very good QB in this league. He has the arm,brains, and we all saw the kid take a pounding and kept getting up, so we know his toughness isn't a question. GOOD LUCK PATRICK!

[WillH]

One thing I think has to be said about Brunell's inability to create an offensive production at the end of last season is that it wasn't simply due to his injuries. At the end of last season Mark had noone to throw the ball to. Moss was double teamed, Patten was on IR, Jacobs and Thrash were simply absymal, and short passes to Cooley and Portis couldn't give us the downfeild threat necessary to get the db's on their heels and to keep frequent blitzes from coming. I think that it is very possible that Brunell in the same condition he ended this past season, could have enough options now with the addition of Randle El and Lloyd, and a healthy Patten in rotation, (And also Saunders' throroughly productive offenssive system) to put up enough points to win in the playoffs, especially with an increaingly efficient Williams defense keeping them on the feild. At this point Jason Campbell hasn't proved he can perform in the NFL. So if I were to put money on whether Brunell or Campbell have a better chance to win us a superbowl, Id put it all on Brunell. Last year with no other downfeild threat then moss, was able to pass for just as many or more TD's then he ever did in Jacksonville. I dont think we should discount him simply because he showed signs of wear at the end of the season. Yeah Gibb's got Campbel for the Redskins future, but the team is Brunells until he proves to be more competant. I for one wouldn't feel comfortable with a second year QB at the helm of the offense. And for those who are inevitably going to mention Rothlisberger, you cannot base your argument for Campbells ability on another players success. So until the season I guess we'll have to wait, but for now Im sold on Brunell.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

We have waited way to long to deal Ramsey.

I know in hindsight, the redskins should have dealt him a long time ago - but you can't live by hindsight, we don't have the power to go back in time. We can't really look at it like that, if we did then you can make the argument that the redskins shouldn't have really drafted him if they knew that he wasn't really going to have a chance. But they didn't really know that. You can only decide and plan things on what you know and what you feel. I'm sure gibbs didn't know that he was planning to pull out Ramsey before the first game was through, but he went with his gut and look how that turned out. And with Ramsey, I personally can't back a player that doesn't get that stamp of approval from gibbs. I couldn't argue with his success of qb decisions, which includes Brunell.

The best thing to do at this point is - keep Ramsey and hope the market for him heats up. The redskins may be able to keep him until the rookies sign because that cap space would have to be reserved for them anyways.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If everyone in the league saw what you might see in Ramsey he would be gone by now. He is a low price pick up for another team and they are not going after him. I thought that a team by now might have picked up Ramsey just to bring in a QB that could compete for the starting job and if not the starter a solid back up. Maybe other teams see what Gibbs see in Ramsey and are not willing to take the chance on him. He will find a new team but I think it will be as a back up for the first year atleast.

Ramsey wants to go somewhere where he has the chance to start. He isn't going to sign an extension with a team that doesn't suit him...and without that extension...there's not much value in picking up the last year of his contract. Particularly when he's probably going to be released if the team can't find someone who wants him for only one year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NFLeurope

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.

Ugh, no offense man and my rant isn't directed at you specifically, but when can we finally drop this debate??

Ramsey is on his way out, his time here is done. He wasn't drafted by Gibbs, and Gibbs obviously doesn't think as highly of Ramsey as some of his fanboys do. Why do we have to keep rehashing this every other day?

[JET]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ugh, no offense man and my rant isn't directed at you specifically, but when can we finally drop this debate??

Ramsey is on his way out, his time here is done. He wasn't drafted by Gibbs, and Gibbs obviously doesn't think as highly of Ramsey as some of his fanboys do. Why do we have to keep rehashing this every other day?

The real benefit to Ramsey leaving is that Matty won't have to rant about this anymore. It'll make things much easier on the Gibbs fanboys.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JET

The real benefit to Ramsey leaving is that Matty won't have to rant about this anymore. It'll make things much easier on the Gibbs fanboys.

Did you just get pwned Matty?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JET

The real benefit to Ramsey leaving is that Matty won't have to rant about this anymore. It'll make things much easier on the Gibbs fanboys.

Hell yeah I'm an unapologetic fanboy of Gibbs, but you know 3 Super Bowl wins will do that to you.

What I don't understand is what Ramsey has done to have earned such a fanboy following.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What I don't understand is what Ramsey has done to have earned such a fanboy following.

WORD.

My theory is that everyone thinks he's a nice guy, and a hard worker, and a likeable kid. And after what Spurrier put him through, and how he kept fighting, he earned admiration from fans. So he's an emotional favorite for people, they root for him to do well because it would make them feel good.

That and I bet that anyone who has been spurned by management in their lives (laid off, passed over for promotion, etc) despite their hard work and dedication probably identifies with Ramsey.

Oh well he's gone. I'm over it. 10-6, and looking for more.

[Grayacre]

Originally Posted by NFLeurope

I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

I agree with nearly everything you wrote, NFLeurope, except for your opening apology. I will not apologize for calling the way that the 'Skins have treated Ramsey a disgrace. I hope that he lands in a good situation for next season.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Grayacre

I agree with nearly everything you wrote, NFLeurope, except for your opening apology. I will not apologize for calling the way that the 'Skins have treated Ramsey a disgrace. I hope that he lands in a good situation for next season.

I wouldn't be that harsh in calling the treatment of Ramsey (or Arrington, for that matter) a disgrace. There have been great players that have played for other teams that have been treated with a lot less consideration. These decisions have been made for what the redskins think is best for the team. I don't think they intentionally treated them unfairly. Maybe Snyder was upset at Arrington or Ramsey or both, but I don't think the recent decisions were made based on his opinion of them.