Who starts at QB?

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Raise your hand if you think Ramsey didn't get fair treatment is BS

I mentioned this in another thread.

A poll on extremeskins, voted on by about 250 fans, showed that fans thought Ramsey had not had a fair shot as a Redskin by a margin of almost exactly 2 - 1.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I mentioned this in another thread.

A poll on extremeskins, voted on by about 250 fans, showed that fans thought Ramsey had not had a fair shot as a Redskin by a margin of almost exactly 2 - 1.

I don't doubt that. I'd side with the 2 in that case. But it's not the important question. The question is who gives us a better shot at winning.

I'm sorry that poor Patrick's feelings got hurt and he didn't get the chance he deserved because he's such a nice guy and a hard worker; but Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care. We went 10-6 with Brunell and I'm looking forward to better with either him or Campbell.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't doubt that. I'd side with the 2 in that case. But it's not the important question. The question is who gives us a better shot at winning.

I'm sorry that poor Patrick's feelings got hurt and he didn't get the chance he deserved because he's such a nice guy and a hard worker; but Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care. We went 10-6 with Brunell and I'm looking forward to better with either him or Campbell.

Agreed.

Instead of daydreaming about coulda, shoulda, woulda with Ramsey, how about we focus on what did happen with Brunell, and that's a playoff appearance.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't doubt that. I'd side with the 2 in that case. But it's not the important question. The question is who gives us a better shot at winning.

I'm sorry that poor Patrick's feelings got hurt and he didn't get the chance he deserved because he's such a nice guy and a hard worker; but Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care. We went 10-6 with Brunell and I'm looking forward to better with either him or Campbell.

You miss the point.

We invested a number one draft choice in him and we still aren't sure, after four years, that he isn't our best QB (especially since he proved himself our best for three years running).

Sure, let's move on and give Campbell a fair shot. I've seen Brunell's game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

You miss the point.

We invested a number one draft choice in him and we still aren't sure, after four years, that he isn't our best QB (especially since he proved himself our best for three years running).

Sure, let's move on and give Campbell a fair shot. I've seen Brunell's game.

Now you're getting into an argument over how good Brunell is. And if you're arguing that he's worthless, you don't have any ground to stand on. 23 TDs and 10 INTs. It speaks for itself.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Now you're getting into an argument over how good Brunell is. And if you're arguing that he's worthless, you don't have any ground to stand on. 23 TDs and 10 INTs. It speaks for itself.

Individual stats don't say anything to me. I watch the game.

I saw a QB who played at an all-pro level in the early part of the season but one whose game is too limited, and thus easily defended, at this stage of his career.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Individual stats don't say anything to me. I watch the game.

I saw a QB who played at an all-pro level in the early part of the season but one whose game is too limited, and thus easily defended, at this stage of his career.

I watch the games too and what I saw in Ramsey is a QB with no confidence, no pocket presence, poor decision making and a penchant for turning the ball over. I hope he turns out to be a decent QB somewhere, but I think he's Gus Frerotte, a servicable sometime starter but a solid backup. That's really not bad, Frerotte has had a 10 year career and made millions of dollars.. No-one is feeling too sorry for him.

[JET]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I watch the games too and what I saw in Ramsey is a QB with no confidence, no pocket presence, poor decision making and a penchant for turning the ball over. I hope he turns out to be a decent QB somewhere, but I think he's Gus Frerotte, a servicable sometime starter but a solid backup. That's really not bad, Frerotte has had a 10 year career and made millions of dollars.. No-one is feeling too sorry for him.

In Ramsey I saw a guy who tended to start slow and gain confidence and momentum as the game progressed. I'd hoped that it was an indicator of how his career would go here in DC. The part about not feeling sorry for him is true enough, most of these guys make more per year than I have so far in my life.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I watch the games too and what I saw in Ramsey is a QB with no confidence, no pocket presence, poor decision making and a penchant for turning the ball over. I hope he turns out to be a decent QB somewhere, but I think he's Gus Frerotte, a servicable sometime starter but a solid backup. That's really not bad, Frerotte has had a 10 year career and made millions of dollars.. No-one is feeling too sorry for him.

Suppose he had spent the last three years at USC. Do you think people would still be questioning his pocket presence?

Suppose he had spent the last two years at San Diego, with decent protection and LT and Antonio to throw to...do you think people would still be questioning his confidence?

Suppose he had spent four years throwing to a healthy Santana Moss...do you think his stats would have been so average?

Do you think Tom Brady would still be alive if he had played for Spurrier?

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I mentioned this in another thread.

A poll on extremeskins, voted on by about 250 fans, showed that fans thought Ramsey had not had a fair shot as a Redskin by a margin of almost exactly 2 - 1.

Excellent point. As we all know, only those who are qualified to make such a call would even think about answering an internet poll question.

Huddle (and everyone else), I like Ramsey a whole lot, and think he could've been a quality NFL starter. He wasn't well coached, and he wasn't protected in his first few years, and it cost him confidence - both his own, and that of his teammates. He may still do well in this league, but it's best for him and for us to part ways.