Who starts at QB?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

WORD.

My theory is that everyone thinks he's a nice guy, and a hard worker, and a likeable kid. And after what Spurrier put him through, and how he kept fighting, he earned admiration from fans. So he's an emotional favorite for people, they root for him to do well because it would make them feel good.

That and I bet that anyone who has been spurned by management in their lives (laid off, passed over for promotion, etc) despite their hard work and dedication probably identifies with Ramsey.

Oh well he's gone. I'm over it. 10-6, and looking for more.

Just to elaborate, I'm a fan of Ramsey myself because of those reasons you mentioned, but, setting the emotional part of it aside, I want what's best for this football team. And if the powers that be think Ramsey isn't the answer at QB for us, so be it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just to elaborate, I'm a fan of Ramsey myself because of those reasons you mentioned, but, setting the emotional part of it aside, I want what's best for this football team. And if the powers that be think Ramsey isn't the answer at QB for us, so be it.

That's me in a nutshell too. The emotional side of me wants to see him go on and do well elsewhere. But the fan in me wants to see wins, and the fan in me agrees with Gibbs' decision: we're better off with Brunell now and Campbell as our future.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just to elaborate, I'm a fan of Ramsey myself because of those reasons you mentioned, but, setting the emotional part of it aside, I want what's best for this football team. And if the powers that be think Ramsey isn't the answer at QB for us, so be it.

I really wanted Ramsey to do well here. I'm not going to say he let me down per se, but when he was annointed the team's starter last spring I thought he'd come out guns blazing come training camp/preseason time and put so much distance between him and brunell/campbell there would be no debate. And yet, I didn't feel like I saw a QB who was any better than that last game against Minnesota. Meanwhile Brunell got healthy and fought hard to claim his job back.

I still think it was a mistake of Gibbs to name Ramsey the starter but it was also a mistake on Ramsey's part not to claim that title on the field last summer and leave no doubt in anyone's mind that he should be the guy.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I really wanted Ramsey to do well here. I'm not going to say he let me down per se, but when he was annointed the team's starter last spring I thought he'd come out guns blazing come training camp/preseason time and put so much distance between him and brunell/campbell there would be no debate. And yet, I didn't feel like I saw a QB who was any better than that last game against Minnesota. Meanwhile Brunell got healthy and fought hard to claim his job back.

I still think it was a mistake of Gibbs to name Ramsey the starter but it was also a mistake on Ramsey's part not to claim that title on the field last summer and leave no doubt in anyone's mind that he should be the guy.

A-friggin-men.

Ramsey had plenty of chances. Don't forget that when Brunell first got here, Gibbs declared the 2004 preseason to be open competition for the two QBs. Ramsey did nothing but stink it up, and in the process gave every reason for Gibbs to doubt him.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

A-friggin-men.

Ramsey had plenty of chances. Don't forget that when Brunell first got here, Gibbs declared the 2004 preseason to be open competition for the two QBs. Ramsey did nothing but stink it up, and in the process gave every reason for Gibbs to doubt him.

Reminder: Patrick didn't "stink it up." Joe Gibbs declared Patrick his starter after watching both perform in 2004.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Reminder: Patrick didn't "stink it up." Joe Gibbs declared Patrick his starter after watching both perform in 2004.

Right. Ramsey performed so well after the preseason in '04 that Gibbs named Mark Brunell the starter. Subsequently, Brunell started the rest of the '05 season even after Ramsey was medically cleared to play after his neck injury in the opener against the Bears.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Right. Ramsey performed so well after the preseason in '04 that Gibbs named Mark Brunell the starter. Subsequently, Brunell started the rest of the '05 season even after Ramsey was medically cleared to play after his neck injury in the opener against the Bears.

So basically you're saying that the 50-60 snaps in the preseasons of 2004 and 2005 won the job for Brunell and the 16 games of 2004 regular season "fair and open competition" between the two QBs didn't carry much weight. Is that it?

[jermus22]

Like others have said, if Campbell isn't starting by some point next season, I'll wonder why in the world we wasted a 1st round pick on him. I personally think if he isn't starting by the season opener, it will probably be 5-8 games into the season before Brunell gives way to him. I'm hoping both Brunell and Collins will help groom him for the job.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Huddle

So basically you're saying that the 50-60 snaps in the preseasons of 2004 and 2005 won the job for Brunell and the 16 games of 2004 regular season "fair and open competition" between the two QBs didn't carry much weight. Is that it?

I'm saying that from what Joe Gibbs has seen, and there's been plenty of evidence from game tapes of Ramsey since 2002, Brunell was the better option at the time.

Look, I was a fan of Ramsey. I rooted for him. But don't you think if there was truly anything to this guy we would have seen it by now? Or at the very least, that Gibbs would have spotted it?