Who starts at QB?

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't doubt that. I'd side with the 2 in that case. But it's not the important question. The question is who gives us a better shot at winning.

I'm sorry that poor Patrick's feelings got hurt and he didn't get the chance he deserved because he's such a nice guy and a hard worker; but Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care. We went 10-6 with Brunell and I'm looking forward to better with either him or Campbell.

You miss the point.

We invested a number one draft choice in him and we still aren't sure, after four years, that he isn't our best QB (especially since he proved himself our best for three years running).

Sure, let's move on and give Campbell a fair shot. I've seen Brunell's game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

You miss the point.

We invested a number one draft choice in him and we still aren't sure, after four years, that he isn't our best QB (especially since he proved himself our best for three years running).

Sure, let's move on and give Campbell a fair shot. I've seen Brunell's game.

Now you're getting into an argument over how good Brunell is. And if you're arguing that he's worthless, you don't have any ground to stand on. 23 TDs and 10 INTs. It speaks for itself.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Now you're getting into an argument over how good Brunell is. And if you're arguing that he's worthless, you don't have any ground to stand on. 23 TDs and 10 INTs. It speaks for itself.

Individual stats don't say anything to me. I watch the game.

I saw a QB who played at an all-pro level in the early part of the season but one whose game is too limited, and thus easily defended, at this stage of his career.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Individual stats don't say anything to me. I watch the game.

I saw a QB who played at an all-pro level in the early part of the season but one whose game is too limited, and thus easily defended, at this stage of his career.

I watch the games too and what I saw in Ramsey is a QB with no confidence, no pocket presence, poor decision making and a penchant for turning the ball over. I hope he turns out to be a decent QB somewhere, but I think he's Gus Frerotte, a servicable sometime starter but a solid backup. That's really not bad, Frerotte has had a 10 year career and made millions of dollars.. No-one is feeling too sorry for him.

[JET]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I watch the games too and what I saw in Ramsey is a QB with no confidence, no pocket presence, poor decision making and a penchant for turning the ball over. I hope he turns out to be a decent QB somewhere, but I think he's Gus Frerotte, a servicable sometime starter but a solid backup. That's really not bad, Frerotte has had a 10 year career and made millions of dollars.. No-one is feeling too sorry for him.

In Ramsey I saw a guy who tended to start slow and gain confidence and momentum as the game progressed. I'd hoped that it was an indicator of how his career would go here in DC. The part about not feeling sorry for him is true enough, most of these guys make more per year than I have so far in my life.

[#56fanatic]

Look, I was one of the biggest Ramsey fans, especially after the beating he took w/ Spurrier. I was pissed when they signed Brunell. And even though he has a pretty bad 2004, really thought he gave us a better chance to win in 2005. I was one of the people calling for Brunells head in 2004. But he came out in 2005, played his ass off, frankly should have been concidered for comeback player of the year, or even pro-bowl(in place of Vick). If healthy, Brunell is very effective, as he proved. I hope Ramsey makes the pro-bowl every year, its just going to have to be with someone else. I do predict, if he is given a fair shot to play, he will be a successful NFL QB. Take the one year he was actually given the job (2003) his stats would have aproximately been 3200 yards 20TDs and 16 picks. Thats not great, but pretty good for a 2nd year QB, plus with all the beatings he took. Fact, we would not have won 10 games or 11 games with Ramsey. Everyone may be pissed by him throwing balls away, well that may have saved a lot of games. Our D is too damn good to do things like that. Why risk it when 8 out 10 times, they are going to give us the ball right back.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I watch the games too and what I saw in Ramsey is a QB with no confidence, no pocket presence, poor decision making and a penchant for turning the ball over. I hope he turns out to be a decent QB somewhere, but I think he's Gus Frerotte, a servicable sometime starter but a solid backup. That's really not bad, Frerotte has had a 10 year career and made millions of dollars.. No-one is feeling too sorry for him.

Suppose he had spent the last three years at USC. Do you think people would still be questioning his pocket presence?

Suppose he had spent the last two years at San Diego, with decent protection and LT and Antonio to throw to...do you think people would still be questioning his confidence?

Suppose he had spent four years throwing to a healthy Santana Moss...do you think his stats would have been so average?

Do you think Tom Brady would still be alive if he had played for Spurrier?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Suppose he had spent the last three years at USC. Do you think people would still be questioning his pocket presence?

Suppose he had spent the last two years at San Diego, with decent protection and LT and Antonio to throw to...do you think people would still be questioning his confidence?

Suppose he had spent four years throwing to a healthy Santana Moss...do you think his stats would have been so average?

Do you think Tom Brady would still be alive if he had played for Spurrier?

Honestly, I have no idea what would have happened if he was at USC or had LT and Antonio or a healthy Santana Moss or if Brady would still be alive if he played for Spurrier. I live in the actual world and Ramsey didn't step up and dominate when he played.

Some young qb have 'it' (Roethlisberger, Palmer, Simms, Brady) some respond to challenges (Brees), some are late bloomers (Green, Warner) and some seem to be missing something. I've been watching football for 30+ years and I don't claim to know everything but I have no reason to beleive that Ramsey will be successful (consistently leading his team to the postseason) as an NFL QB based on what I have seen. Could I be wrong? Certainly, but it's not going to happen here.