Who starts at QB?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I really wanted Ramsey to do well here. I'm not going to say he let me down per se, but when he was annointed the team's starter last spring I thought he'd come out guns blazing come training camp/preseason time and put so much distance between him and brunell/campbell there would be no debate. And yet, I didn't feel like I saw a QB who was any better than that last game against Minnesota. Meanwhile Brunell got healthy and fought hard to claim his job back.

I still think it was a mistake of Gibbs to name Ramsey the starter but it was also a mistake on Ramsey's part not to claim that title on the field last summer and leave no doubt in anyone's mind that he should be the guy.

A-friggin-men.

Ramsey had plenty of chances. Don't forget that when Brunell first got here, Gibbs declared the 2004 preseason to be open competition for the two QBs. Ramsey did nothing but stink it up, and in the process gave every reason for Gibbs to doubt him.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

A-friggin-men.

Ramsey had plenty of chances. Don't forget that when Brunell first got here, Gibbs declared the 2004 preseason to be open competition for the two QBs. Ramsey did nothing but stink it up, and in the process gave every reason for Gibbs to doubt him.

Reminder: Patrick didn't "stink it up." Joe Gibbs declared Patrick his starter after watching both perform in 2004.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Reminder: Patrick didn't "stink it up." Joe Gibbs declared Patrick his starter after watching both perform in 2004.

Right. Ramsey performed so well after the preseason in '04 that Gibbs named Mark Brunell the starter. Subsequently, Brunell started the rest of the '05 season even after Ramsey was medically cleared to play after his neck injury in the opener against the Bears.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Right. Ramsey performed so well after the preseason in '04 that Gibbs named Mark Brunell the starter. Subsequently, Brunell started the rest of the '05 season even after Ramsey was medically cleared to play after his neck injury in the opener against the Bears.

So basically you're saying that the 50-60 snaps in the preseasons of 2004 and 2005 won the job for Brunell and the 16 games of 2004 regular season "fair and open competition" between the two QBs didn't carry much weight. Is that it?

[jermus22]

Like others have said, if Campbell isn't starting by some point next season, I'll wonder why in the world we wasted a 1st round pick on him. I personally think if he isn't starting by the season opener, it will probably be 5-8 games into the season before Brunell gives way to him. I'm hoping both Brunell and Collins will help groom him for the job.

[redskins5044]

The QB situation is one that scares me right now. We have a veteran starter in Brunell and qb who knows saunders system in Collins and a second year player who hasnt taken a snap yet. Last year Brunell started great then as the season went on he started to wear down. So going into this season Brunell will probably be the starter and Campbell the backup and collins just here to help teach the system. If Brunell goes down i jsut dont feel comfortable with Campbell as a starter yet and collins has been a carrer backup. I just hope jason is hitting the books and hope to see him play in the preseaon when the first stringers are playing to see what he has,

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Huddle

So basically you're saying that the 50-60 snaps in the preseasons of 2004 and 2005 won the job for Brunell and the 16 games of 2004 regular season "fair and open competition" between the two QBs didn't carry much weight. Is that it?

I'm saying that from what Joe Gibbs has seen, and there's been plenty of evidence from game tapes of Ramsey since 2002, Brunell was the better option at the time.

Look, I was a fan of Ramsey. I rooted for him. But don't you think if there was truly anything to this guy we would have seen it by now? Or at the very least, that Gibbs would have spotted it?

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm saying that from what Joe Gibbs has seen, and there's been plenty of evidence from game tapes of Ramsey since 2002, Brunell was the better option at the time.

Look, I was a fan of Ramsey. I rooted for him. But don't you think if there was truly anything to this guy we would have seen it by now? Or at the very least, that Gibbs would have spotted it?

He proved he was our best QB for three years running and he was improving with each game. He outplayed Weurful, Matthews and Brunell. He was 10-13 as a starter while we were 8 -17 in games he didn't start over those three years.

Maybe he didn't show you and Joe Gibbs much. Maybe you expected a young QB to do more. With the lack of supporting talent and the unprofessional offensive schemes he worked with in those years, I didn't.

Now, soon, we'll start all over...living with young Jason Campbell's mistakes. We're going into 2006 with a roster that is loaded except at the most important QB position.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But don't you think if there was truly anything to this guy we would have seen it by now? Or at the very least, that Gibbs would have spotted it?

No, apparently a handful of armchair coaches can spot Ramsey's genius sitting at home on the couch as opposed to a Hall of Fame coach who has seen him up close and personal for the past 2 years and knows more about him than we ever will.

:yeahright

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

No, apparently a handful of armchair coaches can spot Ramsey's genius sitting at home on the couch as opposed to a Hall of Fame coach who has seen him up close and personal for the past 2 years and knows more about him than we ever will.

:yeahright

Yeah. I have to admit that's the one argument you can make that makes any sense. Joe's a HOF coach. He knows best.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

No, apparently a handful of armchair coaches can spot Ramsey's genius sitting at home on the couch as opposed to a Hall of Fame coach who has seen him up close and personal for the past 2 years and knows more about him than we ever will.

:yeahright

Well we all know there's at least one person here who has insisted time and again that nearly all the GMs around the league see something in Ramsey that Gibbs doesn't and Ramsey needs to be saved before Gibbs does any more damage to him than he already has...and yet teams don't seem to be banging down our door clamoring for Ramsey.