Who starts at QB?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Huddle

This is a circular argument.

Joe Gibbs drove down Ramsey's value, not by word but by deed.

Now, you argue that Joe Gibbs is proven right because he apparently doesn't have much value.

Perhaps. But let's say he started Ramsey from day one in 2004. And Ramsey tanked with the rest of the offense while they all got their act together (players and coaches). That wouldn't do much for his value. At least to some extent Ramsey still has the allure of "untapped potential" because he hasn't played all that much, compared to say Joey Harrington.

Anyhow, all I was getting at is that some people on this site (before you joined) have been adamant that Gibbs has something personal against Ramsey and that Gibbs is ignorant to the vast talent Ramsey has. That all around the league GMs see it, and even former GMs who are now analysts see it. But Gibbs doesn't.

That's all I was saying

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Perhaps. But let's say he started Ramsey from day one in 2004. And Ramsey tanked with the rest of the offense while they all got their act together (players and coaches). That wouldn't do much for his value. At least to some extent Ramsey still has the allure of "untapped potential" because he hasn't played all that much, compared to say Joey Harrington.

Anyhow, all I was getting at is that some people on this site (before you joined) have been adamant that Gibbs has something personal against Ramsey and that Gibbs is ignorant to the vast talent Ramsey has. That all around the league GMs see it, and even former GMs who are now analysts see it. But Gibbs doesn't.

That's all I was saying

I understand and agree for the most part.

I don't think we really have any idea at this point what GMs around the league think of Patrick.

They know he wants to start and won't resign himself at this point in his career to backing up their high-priced number one.

They know he won't sign an extension unless it's someplace he wants to be. So, a trade with the Redskins buys them a QB playing out his 1.7 mil contract for one year. That's not worth much.

The interesting thing is that, after Culpepper and Brees, he's drawn more interest than any of the other 30 or so QBs who are UFAs and available without costing a pick.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I understand and agree for the most part.

I don't think we really have any idea at this point what GMs around the league think of Patrick.

They know he wants to start and won't resign himself at this point in his career to backing up their high-priced number one.

They know he won't sign an extension unless it's someplace he wants to be. So, a trade with the Redskins buys them a QB playing out his 1.7 mil contract for one year. That's not worth much.

The interesting thing is that, after Culpepper and Brees, he's drawn more interest than any of the other 30 or so QBs who are UFAs and available without costing a pick.

he drew less interest than mccown, an gus/brooks/griese (maybe harrington) are in the same boat as him right now only without costing a pick.