Sean Salisbury

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

People can say what they want, but all the teams in the NFC east are good this year. Any could win the division. With that said, it will probably come down to injuries and which team is best able to adapt when the injuries happen.

The skins have proved that they are the best in the division with respect to fielding a quality team week in and week out in spite of injuries. Now, we have great depth at WR,DE,RB,QB,TE. With each other team, you can lose one guy and be seriously wounded (TO, Manning, McNabb). I just don't see that as the case in DC.

I pretty much agree with your post, however, I think that people are overvaluing Betts and Rock. I think that this team would be in big trouble if Portis ever went down. I hope that he doesn't and if he does, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know if they can win without CP.

[jrocx69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I pretty much agree with your post, however, I think that people are overvaluing Betts and Rock. I think that this team would be in big trouble if Portis ever went down. I hope that he doesn't and if he does, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know if they can win without CP.

betts is more than qualified IMO. and NEMO is a great change of pace back to betts.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

betts is more than qualified IMO. and NEMO is a great change of pace back to betts.

I think that this team could win with Betts for a game or two, but I'm saying what if Portis were to miss 5 or 6 games, then I think we'd be in real trouble. Just like pretty much any other in the league, but I just don't think that Betts can come in and carry the load for long.

[Sociofan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I think that this team could win with Betts for a game or two, but I'm saying what if Portis were to miss 5 or 6 games, then I think we'd be in real trouble. Just like pretty much any other in the league, but I just don't think that Betts can come in and carry the load for long.

I'm sure that's what they were saying about undrafted free agent (from NC no less) Willie Parker in Pittsburgh a year ago.

Look at how THAT worked out.

[Monksdown]

Betts=Sean Salisbury?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Sociofan

I'm sure that's what they were saying about undrafted free agent (from NC no less) Willie Parker in Pittsburgh a year ago.

Look at how THAT worked out.

Betts is not even close to Willie Parker, and Betts was a 2nd round pick. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere. Secondly, he's been on the team for four seasons, and has had only mild success. So implying that he could carry the load if Portis went down, is an over-estimation of his ability, in my opinion.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Betts is not even close to Willie Parker, and Betts was a 2nd round pick. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere. Secondly, he's been on the team for four seasons, and has had only mild success. So implying that he could carry the load if Portis went down, is an over-estimation of his ability, in my opinion.

our oline is good enough that he could probably be alright though. he does have some injury issues... I think after this year we migth just let him go and keep rock an nemo (depending on how nemo shows this pre/reg season).

[Sociofan]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Betts is not even close to Willie Parker, and Betts was a 2nd round pick. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere. Secondly, he's been on the team for four seasons, and has had only mild success. So implying that he could carry the load if Portis went down, is an over-estimation of his ability, in my opinion.

For his career numbers, Betts averages 4.0 a carry and 9.8 a catch.

Compare that with backs like:
Rudi Johnson (4.2 a carry, 5.4 per catch).
Ricky Williams (4.0 and 7.7)
Curtis Martin (4.0 and 6.9)
Tiki Barber (3.2 and 9.3)

So are you questioning his ability to be productive or his durability? Betts could be a starter on many teams and the Skins would not be in purgatory if he had to carry the team. Especially now that the passing game should relieve some pressure at the line.

[Monksdown]

I agree that Ladell is a fantastic breather back. He is a north - south runner with the ability to generate missed tackles when at full speed. His acceleration isnt great, and so he needs a strong o-line to get behind the d-line in order to generate the speed needed to bounce of would be tacklers.

He would struggle in a system with an average-poor o-line. But who wouldnt you say that about.

Betts seems to miss the home run speed though.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Sociofan

For his career numbers, Betts averages 4.0 a carry and 9.8 a catch.

Compare that with backs like:
Rudi Johnson (4.2 a carry, 5.4 per catch).
Ricky Williams (4.0 and 7.7)
Curtis Martin (4.0 and 6.9)
Tiki Barber (3.2 and 9.3)

So are you questioning his ability to be productive or his durability? Betts could be a starter on many teams and the Skins would not be in purgatory if he had to carry the team. Especially now that the passing game should relieve some pressure at the line.

Are you trying to say that Betts is better than Tiki Barber? Or any of the backs you have listed, for that matter? Comparing the numbers of a spot back to the numbers of a starting tailback is apples and oranges. Betts has 1271 rushing yards for his career. Tiki had 1860 yards, last season. If teams gameplanned for Betts the same way they did for Portis last season, Betts would be lucky to break 1000 yards, much less make it to week 10 without getting injured.

[reidskind]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I pretty much agree with your post, however, I think that people are overvaluing Betts and Rock. I think that this team would be in big trouble if Portis ever went down. I hope that he doesn't and if he does, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know if they can win without CP.

If we did lose CP, like most teams who lose a player of that caliber will not be the same, but that does not mean that Ladell, and "Tha Roc, Tha, Tha ROC" cant fill in marveously if our qb is able to still get the ball downfield. It could even throw a few teams off due to not knowing whats comming (althought I hope no team gets this opportunity to scout w/out CP)... Think of the Seahawks without Sean Alexander.... They would never win a big game if he's gone right? :-) sorry dont know how to insert those neat-o inserts.. I'm ol' school homies!!!!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by reidskind

If we did lose CP, like most teams who lose a player of that caliber will not be the same, but that does not mean that Ladell, and "Tha Roc, Tha, Tha ROC" cant fill in marveously if our qb is able to still get the ball downfield. It could even throw a few teams off due to not knowing whats comming (althought I hope no team gets this opportunity to scout w/out CP)... Think of the Seahawks without Sean Alexander.... They would never win a big game if he's gone right? :-) sorry dont know how to insert those neat-o inserts.. I'm ol' school homies!!!!

The first sentence in that post is pretty much my point. The team will be different without CP. IMO, that would mean that we were in trouble. The offense is more on his shoulders than anyone else's I don't know if Betts and/or Rock can handle that. I'm not saying they're bad backs, all I'm saying is that if Portis went down, I don't know if they could get it done for an extended period of time.

[Oakland Red]

I like it when the media says we will finish in the cellar - I hope the other teams believe it too. It's better than being the team everyone is shooting to knock off.

Although I doubt players are watching Salisbury on ESPN and thinking, "Salisbury has the Redskins finishing last? That is the last time I take the Redskins seriously. When a guy as impressive as Salisbury says something, you take it as gospel, nqa."

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I pretty much agree with your post, however, I think that people are overvaluing Betts and Rock. I think that this team would be in big trouble if Portis ever went down. I hope that he doesn't and if he does, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know if they can win without CP.

If Portis went down Betts would be able to fill in (I don't know if he could stay healthy but that is a different story). I have heard on more than one occasion that Betts is viewed as a starting back by other teams.

With the strength at wideout they could just pass more. That being said, I don't think they can win the Super Bowl without Portis.