Brunell vs. Bledsoe

[That Guy]

I'd also like you to point out the logical fallacy you're alluding to, AND to show why YOUR ideas count as evidence and EVERYONE ELSE's ideas count as opinions. its a REALLY convenient way of argueing and never being wrong.

meanwhile i'm still waiting on you to show me why you're right besides baseless opinions.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I'd also like you to point out the logical fallacy you're alluding to,

I'm too lazy to look it up for you. Google "logical fallacies." You'll find several lists of common logical fallacies. This one goes by "Appeal to Popularity" and several other names.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I'm too lazy to look it up for you. Google "logical fallacies." You'll find several lists of common logical fallacies. This one goes by "Appeal to Popularity" and several other names.

great, point out the one i actually made instead of stupid baseless claims that you're unwilling to stand by.

you'll throw out accusations and then refuse to defend them.

I'm still waiting on this evidence of yours by the way. I notice you're quick to get sidetracked playing with technicalities to actually make a case, but maybe you should try. I have yet to see any of this "evidence" you're providing or any reason that'd give ANY credibility to whatever point it is you think you're making.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

great, point out the one i actually made instead of stupid baseless claims that you're unwilling to stand by.

you'll throw out accusations and then refuse to defend them.

I'm still waiting on this evidence of yours by the way. I notice you're quick to get sidetracked playing with technicalities to actually make a case, but maybe you should try. I have yet to see any of this "evidence" you're providing or any reason that'd give ANY credibility to whatever point it is you think you're making.

I'm very patient. Let's try this one more time.

There is one logical argument only: You cannot claim that your statistic is a measurement of a player's performance when that statistic is a combined measurement of the player's performance and other significant factors (You cannot measure A,B,C,D,E together and rely on it as a measurement of A).

The evidence of its unreliability is in the sharp rise and fall of of the stats of many players when they change teams or when a new coach uses them differently in their scheme.

That's it.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I'm very patient. Let's try this one more time.

There is one logical argument only: You cannot claim that your statistic is a measurement of a player's performance when that statistic is a combined measurement of the player's performance and other significant factors (You cannot measure A,B,C,D,E together and rely on it as a measurement of A).

The evidence of its unreliability is in the sharp rise and fall of of the stats of many players when they change teams or when a new coach uses them differently in their scheme.

That's it.

again, have you taken algebra?

X + Y + Z = 6
2X + Y + Z = 9
X = 3

the more data you have and the more equations you have the better able you are to judge the individual factors and figure out their roles in said equations.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by That Guy

again, have you taken algebra?

X + Y + Z = 6
2X + Y + Z = 9
X = 3

the more data you have and the more equations you have the better able you are to judge the individual factors and figure out their roles in said equations.

Alright, how about a demonstration?

Apply your concept to quarterback statistics. You don't have to do it in depth, just give me enough to see what you're doing.

[Huddle]

That Guy

I have to signoff. I'll check this thread in the AM.

Have a good evening.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by That Guy

X + Y + Z = 6
2X + Y + Z = 9
X = 3
the more data you have and the more equations you have the better able you are to judge the individual factors and figure out their roles in said equations.

That is exactly it! Here is the thing, if you don't understand math and statistics (I mean really understand it), the power that these stats provide will never make sense to you. In the NFL, there are guys who are paid by each team to do just what you did. They take the stats of a team and reduce them down to a point where they can determine how much of an impact each player has. I actually took a linear algebra class from a professor who did this for the NBA as a side job.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

That is exactly it! Here is the thing, if you don't understand math and statistics (I mean really understand it), the power that these stats provide will never make sense to you. In the NFL, there are guys who are paid by each team to do just what you did.

Your point is irrelevant here since I haven't stated any opinion on the statistical data gathered by professional teams. The topic here is the usefulness of the statistics offered in the media and used by fans in forums like this one.