rooting for Goliath

[Schneed10]

Huddle, after reading through the rest of this thread I'm compelled to tell you that if I were a moderator (which I'm not of course), I'd be looking for a reason to ban you from the site. At this point you don't seem to be in any violation of the forum guidelines, but you're so aggravating to deal with on this site. You basically don't listen to a single thing said to you on here. That Guy has been making point after point but you don't even seem to acknowledge it. Then you eventually come around to modifying your points, without acknowledging that someone else made that point previously. Furthermore, I've seen huge arguments involving you in other threads where you fervently argue point for point, and yet admit to not reading a number of posts directed at you. It comes across like you're more concerned with winning debates and saving face than with having meaningful and civil discussion.

Now I'm not trying to get you thrown out because as I said, I don't think you're breaking any rules; I'm just trying to say that you are quickly developing a reputation as someone who nobody enjoys talking to. You're very aggravating.

I think you make great points sometimes. And we need disagreements on this site, because it makes for more meaningful discussion. But if one person isn't listening to the viewpoints of other members, or is flat out skipping over posts and continuing to argue a point, it ruins any chance we have at having meaningful discussion. It just results in people talking past one another.

Just thought I'd say my peace on the subject.

[724Skinsfan]

By the way, this has only a very litle bit to do with this thread and I haven't noticed if it was mentioned before but...

On Mike & Mike this morning Mike Greenberg actually said, "The Redskins will have a very good team this year, I think". Golic slightly shook his head in an affirmative manner w/o comment. I was stunned to hear something positive from either one of these guys. Anyway, just thought I'd mention one more quasi-supporter for the 'Skins.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Huddle, after reading through the rest of this thread I'm compelled to tell you that if I were a moderator (which I'm not of course), I'd be looking for a reason to ban you from the site. At this point you don't seem to be in any violation of the forum guidelines, but you're so aggravating to deal with on this site. You basically don't listen to a single thing said to you on here. That Guy has been making point after point but you don't even seem to acknowledge it. Then you eventually come around to modifying your points, without acknowledging that someone else made that point previously. Furthermore, I've seen huge arguments involving you in other threads where you fervently argue point for point, and yet admit to not reading a number of posts directed at you. It comes across like you're more concerned with winning debates and saving face than with having meaningful and civil discussion.

Now I'm not trying to get you thrown out because as I said, I don't think you're breaking any rules; I'm just trying to say that you are quickly developing a reputation as someone who nobody enjoys talking to. You're very aggravating.

I think you make great points sometimes. And we need disagreements on this site, because it makes for more meaningful discussion. But if one person isn't listening to the viewpoints of other members, or is flat out skipping over posts and continuing to argue a point, it ruins any chance we have at having meaningful discussion. It just results in people talking past one another.

Just thought I'd say my peace on the subject.

Will it surprise you if I don't agree?

I am a veteran of some debate boards, politics and religion, where the moderators are very strict. The way you and others make ad hominem attacks here would never be tolerated on those boards.

Since there is no impartial panel on these boards to judge who has won a debate, I've devised my own way.

Strawman arguments are the first sign of frustration. When opponents have to twist my words to come up with arguments, they're all but done.

The next level of growing frustration is the logical fallacy referred to sometimes as Appeal to Popularity: "Everyone here thinks you're wrong." I get a lot of these because I'm self-confident enough to present controversial positions.

In the final stage, losers vent their frustration with the ad hominem fallacy, personal attacks in lieu of arguments. I get a lot of those.

When a poster continually alternates personal attacks with strawman arguments, I ignore their posts. They waste my time.

Your most recent post is nothing more than a belated ad hominem attack which would signal to any impartial mind reading this (if there is one) that you are bearing a grudge. I wonder why?

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Huddle

The next level of growing frustration is the logical fallacy referred to sometimes as Appeal to Popularity: "Everyone here thinks you're wrong." I get a lot of these because I'm self-confident enough to present controversial positions.

LOL......priceless.


It couldn't be that you're simply wrong. No....that's just not possible. LOL!

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

It couldn't be that you're simply wrong. No....that's just not possible. LOL!

Of course it's possible, and it can sometimes be proven by making a sound logical argument. You should try it sometime.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Of course it's possible, and it can sometimes be proven by making a sound logical argument. You should try it sometime.

Wow, pot calling the kettle black here. Bit hypocritical aren't we? Given your recent "I'm of a higher standard than everyone else here" posts?

I've tried arguing with you on multiple occasions via sound logical argument. And rather than engage me, you've deliberately avoided taking my arguments head on. Or, you've simply addressed only small segments of my overall arguments, quoted them, taken them out of context, focused on them even though they weren't the main thrust of the argument I was making, and/or have completely ignored every argument I've made that has proven your point wrong (even when a number of other people on the same thread could understand my arguments and points without confusion). I'm not about to rehash the whole statistics argument, but the fact is I killed you in that debate.

See, you're not the only one who can come off like a condescending prick.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Wow, pot calling the kettle black here. Bit hypocritical aren't we? Given your recent "I'm of a higher standard than everyone else here" posts?

I've tried arguing with you on multiple occasions via sound logical argument. And rather than engage me, you've deliberately avoided taking my arguments head on. Or, you've simply addressed only small segments of my overall arguments, quoted them, taken them out of context, focused on them even though they weren't the main thrust of the argument I was making, and/or have completely ignored every argument I've made that has proven your point wrong (even when a number of other people on the same thread could understand my arguments and points without confusion). I'm not about to rehash the whole statistics argument, but the fact is I killed you in that debate.

See, you're not the only one who can come off like a condescending prick.

Huddle, just wanted to point out that this shows I'm not the only one you're chafing. There are no grudges held, it's just your style is grating.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Huddle, just wanted to point out that this shows I'm not the only one you're chafing. There are no grudges held, it's just your style is grating.

I just don't get where this guy comes off making a statement like he did to me? The mere implication that perhaps he was actually wrong lead to an attack about my ability to make logical arguments? It's a completely unsupportable statement made simply because he took it as a personal attack when I dared suggest that his royal highness could actually have been wrong for once? And then he has the nerve to say that other people (namely you) are acting "holier-than-though"? If there's one thing I can't stand it's a hypocrit. I can deal with just about anything else, but hypocracy makes my blood boil.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Wow, pot calling the kettle black here. Bit hypocritical aren't we? Given your recent "I'm of a higher standard than everyone else here" posts?

I've tried arguing with you on multiple occasions via sound logical argument. And rather than engage me, you've deliberately avoided taking my arguments head on. Or, you've simply addressed only small segments of my overall arguments, quoted them, taken them out of context, focused on them even though they weren't the main thrust of the argument I was making, and/or have completely ignored every argument I've made that has proven your point wrong (even when a number of other people on the same thread could understand my arguments and points without confusion). I'm not about to rehash the whole statistics argument, but the fact is I killed you in that debate.

See, you're not the only one who can come off like a condescending prick.

In the stats debate, you tried to taunt me and browbeat me into setting myself up for some flim-flam logic. Now, if you had just asked me nicely if I could prove that your Aaron Brooks claim was untrue, I would have told you that I could not.

I would have added that if you claimed that Santa existed, I could not prove you wrong either. And, if you claimed Elvis lives, I could not have proved that wrong either.

Unfortunately, the thread was locked before we got to that point.

Do you want to finish it here?

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Huddle

In the stats debate, you tried to taunt me and browbeat me into setting myself up for some flim-flam logic. Now, if you had just asked me nicely if I could prove that your Aaron Brooks claim was untrue, I would have told you that I could not.

I would have added that if you claimed that Santa existed, I could not prove you wrong either. And, if you claimed Elvis lives, I could not have proved that wrong either.

Unfortunately, the thread was locked before we got to that point.

Do you want to finish it here?

Why bother? Is there any way short of God striking you down that you'll admit you're wrong? I see no point to continue an argument in which you were proven wrong by a number of members of this site, yet failed to admit or recognize such.

And what the heck are you talking about? If you asked me nice. What? First of all, when I first asked that question, I was anything but hostile. Second, to the extent you believe you are entitled to any special courtesies, I can assure you I've never treated you with any less respect than you have shown to the other members of this site including myself. Third, to the extent you believe I need to ask you to answer my question in a certain or extraordinarily polite way: this isn't college, you are not my professor, and you are no better than me or anyone else on this site. Finally, your above post just proves that you completely missed the point of the Aaron Brooks argument (either that or you've intentially side-stepped it), and I have no interest in trying to explain it to you all over again. Last I saw, however, I don't know of too many people who have used statistics to show that Santa Claus exists or that Elvis is dead (which, by the way, are factual issues, not matters of opinion that are supportable or not supportable by statistics).

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Of course it's possible, and it can sometimes be proven by making a sound logical argument. You should try it sometime.

lets all just let it go

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

lets all just let it go

... or we can just all royal rumble.

My strategy: I choose to lay low take a few shots like this. I'll be patient and let others do the dirty work and knock everyone else out and then explode when it's me and someone else left standing

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

... or we can just all royal rumble.

My strategy: I choose to lay low take a few shots like this. I'll be patient and let others do the dirty work and knock everyone else out and then explode when it's me and someone else left standing

Thats dirty pool man.:cheeky-sm

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I am a veteran of some debate boards, politics and religion, where the moderators are very strict. The way you and others make ad hominem attacks here would never be tolerated on those boards.

Matty, I'd take this as a shot at you and the other mods. DO YOUR JOB, MAN!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Will it surprise you if I don't agree?

I am a veteran of some debate boards, politics and religion, where the moderators are very strict. The way you and others make ad hominem attacks here would never be tolerated on those boards.

Since there is no impartial panel on these boards to judge who has won a debate, I've devised my own way.

Strawman arguments are the first sign of frustration. When opponents have to twist my words to come up with arguments, they're all but done.

The next level of growing frustration is the logical fallacy referred to sometimes as Appeal to Popularity: "Everyone here thinks you're wrong." I get a lot of these because I'm self-confident enough to present controversial positions.

In the final stage, losers vent their frustration with the ad hominem fallacy, personal attacks in lieu of arguments. I get a lot of those.

When a poster continually alternates personal attacks with strawman arguments, I ignore their posts. They waste my time.

Your most recent post is nothing more than a belated ad hominem attack which would signal to any impartial mind reading this (if there is one) that you are bearing a grudge. I wonder why?

This post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You seem to view these discussions as a debate to be won or lost. I certainly don't feel that way about discussions around these parts, and I doubt others do either. I just sense that some find you obnoxious. It's alright, we're all obnoxious from time to time. Daseal and his puppy-kicking pessimism, Malcolm and his schizophrenic screen names, #56fanatic and his love affair with Lavar, and of course me for writing posts like this. But all this is to say that I wish you'd drop the whole attitude that every discussion is a pissing match. If I promise to tell you that you're right after every post, will you brush the chip off your shoulder? Because I really don't care about winning debates with you, and if that's what it takes to get you to chill, I'm willing to do it.