How Will Campbell Be Handled?

[Huddle]

Schneed

I agree with you here. An injured Brunell is no good.

You agree with me? Now I'll have to go back and check to see where I've gone wrong. [kidding]

In my opinion the reasons are clear. Thrash and Jacobs suck, plain and simple. Neither have great straight line top-speed, and neither are particularly agile coming in and out of cuts.

You mean Thrash, Jacobs, and Patten... none of the three were able to get open for Mark. Well, I saw another possible answer: Mark was hustling out of the pocket to roll left after one or two reads.

And since we're weighing costs and benefits, what is the cost of giving practice snaps to Campbell? It costs Brunell valuable practice reps with an offensive coordinator he's never worked with before.

There's going to be plenty of time for both QBs in training camp. Campbell's practice snaps would increase as his playing time increased. At the end of last season, Brunell wasn't practicing until Thursday or Friday because of injuries.

I understand your objection. I just don't think it would be as much of a problem as you do.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

You mean Thrash, Jacobs, and Patten... none of the three were able to get open for Mark. Well, I saw another possible answer: Mark was hustling out of the pocket to roll left after one or two reads.

Patten didn't catch much, but he attracted a lot of defensive attention which gave Moss more open space. Patten's speed represented a threat to the defense. Moss's production declined when Patten went down because defenses rolled coverage over to Moss. Those defenses weren't afraid of Taylor Jacobs or James Thrash because they didn't respect their abilities to get open, so they often left them in one-on-one coverage and focused on Moss instead.

Originally Posted by Huddle

There's going to be plenty of time for both QBs in training camp. Campbell's practice snaps would increase as his playing time increased. At the end of last season, Brunell wasn't practicing until Thursday or Friday because of injuries.

I understand your objection. I just don't think it would be as much of a problem as you do.

Time in training camp is one thing, time during a game week to game-plan for an opponent is an entirely different animal. Saunders never likes to run the same play twice, and without adequate game-plan preparation, both of our QBs would be lost.

And I think if it actually wasn't going to inhibit learning as you suggest, then you'd actually see NFL coaches bring QBs along this way. But I never see that happen. It's just not a smart way of doing things.

[Huddle]

And I think if it actually wasn't going to inhibit learning as you suggest, then you'd actually see NFL coaches bring QBs along this way. But I never see that happen. It's just not a smart way of doing things.

Most NFL coaches draft a rookie QB and start him without adequate preparation and throw him to the wolves. The list of examples is endless. Are you sure you want to use NFL coaches, taken as a whole, as support for your point?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Most NFL coaches draft a rookie QB and start him without adequate preparation and throw him to the wolves. The list of examples is endless. Are you sure you want to use NFL coaches, taken as a whole, as support for your point?

Define "adequate preparation"

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Most NFL coaches draft a rookie QB and start him without adequate preparation and throw him to the wolves. The list of examples is endless. Are you sure you want to use NFL coaches, taken as a whole, as support for your point?

Um yes, I do. Because they know a lot more about football than I do.

Or, as you seem to be insinuating, do you think you know more than they do?

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Um yes, I do. Because they know a lot more about football than I do.

Or, as you seem to be insinuating, do you think you know more than they do?

About football in general, no. But, on this point specifically, yes.

Repeating the same mistake over and over is not a sign of intelligence.

Spurrier tossed Ramsey into the arena unprepared. Gibbs is taking a more cautious route with Campbell.

I don't know as much football as Spurrier, but I'm not shy in condemning his approach with Ramsey as dumb.

[PWNED]

Originally Posted by Huddle

About football in general, no. But, on this point specifically, yes.

Repeating the same mistake over and over is not a sign of intelligence.

Spurrier tossed Ramsey into the arena unprepared. Gibbs is taking a more cautious route with Campbell.

I don't know as much football as Spurrier, but I'm not shy in condemning his approach with Ramsey as dumb.

talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by PWNED

talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4145/pwned9pr.jpg

As long as we're taking cheap shots, rumor has it that you've lied about your age in this forum.

Is it true you're really ten?

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I don't know as much football as Spurrier, but I'm not shy in condemning his approach with Ramsey as dumb.

Holy Crap! ......actually something we agree on. I didn't think it was possible.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Holy Crap! ......actually something we agree on. I didn't think it was possible.

I'm having a bad day. First an agreement with Schneed, now you. My blood sugar must be high.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

About football in general, no. But, on this point specifically, yes.

That's extremely arrogant. I'm sure even you see the arrogance in that one.

Lots of young QBs get thrown to the wolves, you're right. Most sink, but some swim. Roethisberger. Peyton Manning. I can name others. Some take a while to grasp things, like Vinny Testaverde did. But the point isn't that you ruin a young QB by throwing him to the wolves, the point is that there isn't a choice. In the NFL, you're better off committing to one QB or another. Waffling back and forth, or platooning QBs, is the worst thing you can do. I've said it over and over, QBs need to have rhythm and be in synch with the offense. No QB is ever going to win a Super Bowl if he doesn't get a starter's share of the practice reps in camp and during game weeks.

Platooning Campbell and Brunell might bring Campbell along slowly and have him learn the offense as he goes. But in the here and now, you'd have 2 QBs platooning, neither of whom know the offense well enough to execute at a championship level. Your idea might be appropriate (and I stress might) if you were a team like the 49ers, coming off a dismal season and looking to rebuild gradually. Then you could afford to be patient with Alex Smith, bringing him along slowly. But the Redskins are coming off a 10-6 season, and are ready to make a run at going deeper into the playoffs. The last thing they'd want to do is compromise the learning curve of ALL of their QBs.

I mean, at what point do you stop building for the future and actually take what you have and make a run for it? That's what the NFL is all about. If you've got a good team, go for it. You can't do anything with a QB platoon. I think if you suggested your idea to Joe Gibbs, a Hall of Fame coach who I'm SURE knows more than you about QB management, he'd laugh you out of the room.

Just to add, I think the Skins should just stick with Brunell as the starter. They should give Campbell plenty of attention and PT in the preseason, but stick with Brunell for the regular season.

[Huddle]

Schneed10

But the point isn't that you ruin a young QB by throwing him to the wolves, the point is that there isn't a choice. In the NFL, you're better off committing to one QB or another. Waffling back and forth, or platooning QBs, is the worst thing you can do. I've said it over and over, QBs need to have rhythm and be in synch with the offense. No QB is ever going to win a Super Bowl if he doesn't get a starter's share of the practice reps in camp and during game weeks.

It's very rare that the young QBs who are thrown into the arena unprepared are with teams that have any real chance to win a super bowl. No, I really can't see that it's arrogant of me to say that the NFL coaches who do it are making a mistake.

Platooning Campbell and Brunell might bring Campbell along slowly and have him learn the offense as he goes. But in the here and now, you'd have 2 QBs platooning, neither of whom know the offense well enough to execute at a championship level. Your idea might be appropriate (and I stress might) if you were a team like the 49ers, coming off a dismal season and looking to rebuild gradually. Then you could afford to be patient with Alex Smith, bringing him along slowly. But the Redskins are coming off a 10-6 season, and are ready to make a run at going deeper into the playoffs. The last thing they'd want to do is compromise the learning curve of ALL of their QBs.

Learning the offense will be done in training camp, on the field and in the classroom. They can both participate equally. There's no need for either to be unprepared in learning the offense.

Playing time, when they are firing real bullets, is what Jason needs to prepare for the NFL.

I think if you suggested your idea to Joe Gibbs, a Hall of Fame coach who I'm SURE knows more than you about QB management, he'd laugh you out of the room.

I seriously doubt that Joe would laugh. In fact, as thorough as he and his staff are, I'd be surprised if the idea hasn't at least been discussed.