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[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Tsk, tsk, tsk. So quick to take the Skins signings for granted. I respect your opinion about what you THINK are our best signings, however you have overlooked the best one IMO (Andre Carter).

As for TO, he does make the offense better, but the Cowboys still suffer from one fatal flaw, Drew Bledsoe. He's got a helluva arm, but I'll take my chances that we can get to him before he can get the ball to TO. And last I checked Terry Glenn is still on the other side, oooh real scary. Meanwhile, at Redskin Park we've also got a bona fide playmaker at #1, Santana Moss. And now we have other options at wideout that will free up Moss and also Portis. Uh oh, its pick your poison. Put eight in the box and leave Moss one on one with Terrence Newman? Play coverage and watch Portis run wild?

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I didn't overlooked on Carter I'm just not sold on him he hasn't lived to his hipe that's all let's see if he plays better in a different system for me your best adittion are your wr that was your biggest hole Lloyd and Randall wil lgive another dimmensio nto your offense.

About your comments on T. Glenn man he's way better than Lloyd and Randall combined he's a bigger treath you're just blinded by the TD randall made at the superbowl but he only had 35 catches being the #2 receiver last season, Even Lloyd being the #1 receiver in SF never came close to Glenns numbers. Actually we have verry similar offenses we have 2 great receiver corps with playmakers in each side Moss, TO we have 2 other capable reciever Randall, Lloyd- Glenn, Crayton, pro bowl TE Witten and Cooley, great RB Portis, JJ and Barber. and Good but old qbs Brunell and Bledsoe.

The biggest difference I see is that we play a more control prevent offense and with saulder I see a more agressive 1 we will just have to waith and see how it ends.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

About your comments on T. Glenn man he's way better than Lloyd and Randall combined he's a bigger treath you're just blinded by the TD randall made at the superbowl but he only had 35 catches being the #2 receiver last season, Even Lloyd being the #1 receiver in SF never came close to Glenns numbers. Actually we have verry similar offenses we have 2 great receiver corps with playmakers in each side Moss, TO we have 2 other capable reciever Randall, Lloyd- Glenn, Crayton, pro bowl TE Witten and Cooley, great RB Portis, JJ and Barber. and Good but old qbs Brunell and Bledsoe.

The biggest difference I see is that we play a more control prevent offense and with saulder I see a more agressive 1 we will just have to waith and see how it ends.

I love how commentators, and now you, talk about Randle El's 35 catches last year as proof that he's not a #2 wideout. That makes sense, unless you happened to watch the NFL or knew anything about the Steelers offense. Little known fact, Plaxico Burress caught 35 balls the previous year as the #2 wideout. And Roethlisberger threw more passes in '04 than he did '05, and to top it all off, the Steelers had the most rushing attempts in the league last year. So they weren't throwing it a ton, in fact, the Steelers m.o. was to pass early to get the lead, then rely on the running game and defense to hold on. Are his 35 catches an indication that he wasn't getting open? That he can't catch the ball?

As for Lloyd, seeing as how the 49ers had the worst passing game in the league with 118.6 yards per game, Lloyd's 48 catches for 733 yards and 5 tds don't seem quite so mundane anymore. Especially considering the qbs he had throwing him the ball, as I don't think anyone will confuse Alex Smith and Tim Rattay for Joe Montana and Steve Young. And Lloyd's 89 yard catch came on the Cowboys, with Terrence Newman chasing him the whole way. I think he outplayed your girl Terry Glenn that day, 2 tds to 0, 142 yards to 137. Maybe I'm wrong, I sure hope you show me where though.

I would keep on, but you lost me when you compared Clinton Portis, who has three 1500 yard seasons in four years (1300 was his off year) to Julius Jones who has yet to crack 1000 in either of his. I'm not knocking JJ, but he's not in the same class as Portis right now. Any mention of Patrick Crayton must be qualified with "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." So Patrick Crayton is a capable receiver "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." Or do u need proof?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I love how commentators, and now you, talk about Randle El's 35 catches last year as proof that he's not a #2 wideout. That makes sense, unless you happened to watch the NFL or knew anything about the Steelers offense. Little known fact, Plaxico Burress caught 35 balls the previous year as the #2 wideout. And Roethlisberger threw more passes in '04 than he did '05, and to top it all off, the Steelers had the most rushing attempts in the league last year. So they weren't throwing it a ton, in fact, the Steelers m.o. was to pass early to get the lead, then rely on the running game and defense to hold on. Are his 35 catches an indication that he wasn't getting open? That he can't catch the ball?

As for Lloyd, seeing as how the 49ers had the worst passing game in the league with 118.6 yards per game, Lloyd's 48 catches for 733 yards and 5 tds don't seem quite so mundane anymore. Especially considering the qbs he had throwing him the ball, as I don't think anyone will confuse Alex Smith and Tim Rattay for Joe Montana and Steve Young. And Lloyd's 89 yard catch came on the Cowboys, with Terrence Newman chasing him the whole way. I think he outplayed your girl Terry Glenn that day, 2 tds to 0, 142 yards to 137. Maybe I'm wrong, I sure hope you show me where though.

I would keep on, but you lost me when you compared Clinton Portis, who has three 1500 yard seasons in four years (1300 was his off year) to Julius Jones who has yet to crack 1000 in either of his. I'm not knocking JJ, but he's not in the same class as Portis right now. Any mention of Patrick Crayton must be qualified with "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." So Patrick Crayton is a capable receiver "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." Or do u need proof?

Perfect response.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

So Patrick Crayton is a capable receiver "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." Or do u need proof?

Better watch that one. In 2004, I think Crayton beat Taylor in the endzone for the game winner. But overall, a nice rebuttal.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Better watch that one. In 2004, I think Crayton beat Taylor in the endzone for the game winner.

2004 never happened...

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by steveo395

2004 never happened...

You mean 1992 - 2004 never happened.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

You mean 1992 - 2004 never happened.

'92 happened, and i think i remember 1999 happening a little bit

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by steveo395

'92 happened, and i think i remember 1999 happening a little bit

I was going to edit but decided not to. Good catch! I went to the Dolphins @ Redskins game in 1999 (actually it was January 2000). Such a great feeling watching them play, win and all with the knowledge that we were playoff bound.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Better watch that one. In 2004, I think Crayton beat Taylor in the endzone for the game winner.

I do remember that catch. But last I saw, Crayton was getting the snot/crap/beejeezus knocked out of him by Sean Taylor. I like to think of that as payback.

And thanks.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I do remember that catch. But last I saw, Crayton was getting the snot/crap/beejeezus knocked out of him by Sean Taylor. I like to think of that as payback.

And thanks.

Oh, don't I know it. At the time I had a 7 week old who was sleeping. For the two TD bombs, I manged to keep my joyful elation internal but when Taylor hit Crayton thus causing the "dropped pass" I whooped out loud....and woke him up.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I love how commentators, and now you, talk about Randle El's 35 catches last year as proof that he's not a #2 wideout. That makes sense, unless you happened to watch the NFL or knew anything about the Steelers offense. Little known fact, Plaxico Burress caught 35 balls the previous year as the #2 wideout. And Roethlisberger threw more passes in '04 than he did '05, and to top it all off, the Steelers had the most rushing attempts in the league last year. So they weren't throwing it a ton, in fact, the Steelers m.o. was to pass early to get the lead, then rely on the running game and defense to hold on. Are his 35 catches an indication that he wasn't getting open? That he can't catch the ball?

As for Lloyd, seeing as how the 49ers had the worst passing game in the league with 118.6 yards per game, Lloyd's 48 catches for 733 yards and 5 tds don't seem quite so mundane anymore. Especially considering the qbs he had throwing him the ball, as I don't think anyone will confuse Alex Smith and Tim Rattay for Joe Montana and Steve Young. And Lloyd's 89 yard catch came on the Cowboys, with Terrence Newman chasing him the whole way. I think he outplayed your girl Terry Glenn that day, 2 tds to 0, 142 yards to 137. Maybe I'm wrong, I sure hope you show me where though.

Also I didn't put JJ and portis toghether I said Portis is great wich he is and I place our 2rb as good, with potential but they aren't in the same league I mention JJ and Barber together.

I would keep on, but you lost me when you compared Clinton Portis, who has three 1500 yard seasons in four years (1300 was his off year) to Julius Jones who has yet to crack 1000 in either of his. I'm not knocking JJ, but he's not in the same class as Portis right now. Any mention of Patrick Crayton must be qualified with "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." So Patrick Crayton is a capable receiver "as long as Sean Taylor isn't around." Or do u need proof?

ok here we go I know Pittsburgh is a run first team but still produced 100+ yards receivers and i nsome season 2 1000+ yards receivers and and yes plaxico had 35 catches his last year with pitt but that was when randall el took some passes from him and he only played 11 games Randall-el with no #3 WR only produced 35 even in 2004 with plaxico on the team he had a better year than last year.

Before that Plaxico had 66, 78 60 catches for 1008, 1325, 860 and I know you're going to say Tommy Maddox but hey with tommy it was still a Run first team. And your comment about Pittsburgh being the team with more Rushing attemps of the nfl they only had 20 more attemps then dallas and dallas still produced an 1136 (62 catches) 8td wr in Glenn and a 839 (70cath) 6td receiver in KJ so sorry man if I don0t give credit to Randall-el as a #2 or complete receiver. He has other quallities like PR and trow fake reverse pass but he isn't a #2 receiver if he was so great Pitt would have kept him.

Now About B. Lloyd he has potential he makes some fantasy catches he burned our D last year, but he drops a lot off the easy ones 2 and yes he has had bad Qb's I'll give you that but again why will SF trade him for a 4th if a remmember correctly without having another wr in the roster. Makes you wonder.

And About the Crayton vs Taylor thing I see others answering that comment Crayton burned him for the go ahead TD in 2004 Taylor made him eat dirt in 3rd down must convertion in 2005 right now they are 1-1 in my book.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

ok here we go I know Pittsburgh is a run first team but still produced 100+ yards receivers and i nsome season 2 1000+ yards receivers and and yes plaxico had 35 catches his last year with pitt but that was when randall el took some passes from him and he only played 11 games Randall-el with no #3 WR only produced 35 even in 2004 with plaxico on the team he had a better year than last year.

Before that Plaxico had 66, 78 60 catches for 1008, 1325, 860 and I know you're going to say Tommy Maddox but hey with tommy it was still a Run first team. And your comment about Pittsburgh being the team with more Rushing attemps of the nfl they only had 20 more attemps then dallas and dallas still produced an 1136 (62 catches) 8td wr in Glenn and a 839 (70cath) 6td receiver in KJ so sorry man if I don0t give credit to Randall-el as a #2 or complete receiver. He has other quallities like PR and trow fake reverse pass but he isn't a #2 receiver if he was so great Pitt would have kept him.

Now About B. Lloyd he has potential he makes some fantasy catches he burned our D last year, but he drops a lot off the easy ones 2 and yes he has had bad Qb's I'll give you that but again why will SF trade him for a 4th if a remmember correctly without having another wr in the roster. Makes you wonder.

And About the Crayton vs Taylor thing I see others answering that comment Crayton burned him for the go ahead TD in 2004 Taylor made him eat dirt in 3rd down must convertion in 2005 right now they are 1-1 in my book.

well first of all, you need to learn how to type

second, Randle El left the steelers because they are too cheap to keep him and gibbs knows what he is doing...besides, we dont need him to be a 1000 yard receiver anyway, we have moss, cooley, lloyd, and patten to get plenty of yards along with randle el

third, lloyd left the 49ers because he didnt want to be there anymore and the 49ers didnt really want him there....and they do have another #1 receiver in Antonio Bryant

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by steveo395

second, Randle El left the steelers because they are too cheap to keep him and gibbs knows what he is doing...besides, we dont need him to be a 1000 yard receiver anyway, we have moss, cooley, lloyd, and patten to get plenty of yards along with randle el

third, lloyd left the 49ers because he didnt want to be there anymore and the 49ers didnt really want him there....and they do have another #1 receiver in Antonio Bryant

Yeah they where cheap because they didn't believe he was worth #2 or #1 type of contract, second I know you don't need him to be a 1000 yard receiver we haven't discuss that we discussed if he is a #2 type receiver wich he's not will he complement your offense yes. And please if Patten see's more than 5 plays per game something has gone wrong with your team either Lloyd or Randall didn't produce or 1 got hurth.

And just so you know when Lloyd joined your team A. Bryant wasn't sign in fact it took several weeks for SF to sign him and Imagine how much they didn't like Lloyd to trade him and get a publicly more trouble receiver in A. Bryant that Cleveland didn't want back.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Yeah they where cheap because they didn't believe he was worth #2 or #1 type of contract, second I know you don't need him to be a 1000 yard receiver we haven't discuss that we discussed if he is a #2 type receiver wich he's not will he complement your offense yes. And please if Patten see's more than 5 plays per game something has gone wrong with your team either Lloyd or Randall didn't produce or 1 got hurth.

And just so you know when Lloyd joined your team A. Bryant wasn't sign in fact it took several weeks for SF to sign him and Imagine how much they didn't like Lloyd to trade him and get a publicly more trouble receiver in A. Bryant that Cleveland didn't want back.

So basically the 49er-Lloyd situation is a little like Dallas-Keyshawn. Both were dealt before someone else was added. It happens. Maybe Lloyd was dealt because he was unhappy with his deal and instead of letting him go for nothing the 49ers decided to trade him and get something? It's a thought.

Randle El was a #2 in Pittsburgh, he got 35 catches and the starting tight end got 39. We've already determined that the Steelers were a run first, run second and run third team. You said they only had 20 more rushing attempts than the Boys, but the Boys had 121 more passing attempts. Could that explain the 35 catches the #2 receiver had in Pittsburgh? Or maybe your point, he's not a #2 is valid. We shall see.

Pittsburgh was cheap because Pittsburgh is, was and probably will remain CHEAP. Hines Ward, the SB XL MVP, had to hold out to get a new deal. Why? He's led the team in receiving the past few years, according to you they didn't even have a #2 guy since Randle El is more of a PR-WR reverse pass guy, so why the need for him to hold out to get a fair deal? They are cheap in Pittsburgh, it works for them. They build their team through the draft. Does it mean that Randle El can't play, or the Steelers won't pay? Hmmm.