Brett Favre Decision

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

He's a putz.

Look Matty, I don't have any evidence to back up my gut feeling about the guy.

I just think he's a putz, that's all.

Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.

Fair enough Matty, as far as his whole career goes. You have to give him credit, he’s been great at times, or should I say was great.
But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. If he did say “what are they going to do, cut me?” then he does deserve some criticism. He’s the qp, not the GM & he’s taking advantage of his status IMO. I don’t begrudge him too much for it though, he’s facing a major change in his life. But I do think its fair to say that he’s not acting in the team’s best interests right now & that as a player he’s nowhere near his mvp years. Bottom line for Green Bay is that this team lacks a lot & Farve coming back is unlikely to get them to the playoffs no matter who they sign.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense.

Why does everyone keep saying "past few years"? The Packers were in the playoff the season before last. He had a poor season last year, because all his weapons were injured. ALL of them, except the #2 receiver.

And the only reason they were good before was because of the running game, receivers and defense?!?! So you're basically saying they won, in spite of Favre. Please find anyone who knows anything about football, that agrees with that comment. The Packers haven't had a top tier defense in six seasons. And to claim that the offense is only good because of everyone except the quarterback(especially when the QB is Favre) is ridiculous.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Why does everyone keep saying "past few years"? The Packers were in the playoff the season before last. He had a poor season last year, because all his weapons were injured. ALL of them, except the #2 receiver.

And the only reason they were good before was because of the running game, receivers and defense?!?! So you're basically saying they won, in spite of Favre. Please find anyone who knows anything about football, that agrees with that comment. The Packers haven't had a top tier defense in six seasons. And to claim that the offense is only good because of everyone except the quarterback(especially when the QB is Favre) is ridiculous.

Seriously, try making the comment that Skins were good in spite of Mark Brunell and see how this board explodes. And we all know that Favre is a far better QB than Brunell.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Seriously, try making the comment that Skins were good in spite of Mark Brunell and see how this board explodes. And we all know that Favre is a far better QB than Brunell.

Well, last year Farve wasn't better than Brunell...that's a fact!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, last year Farve wasn't better than Brunell...that's a fact!

Yeah, last year Mark Brunell's numbers were better with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss than Favre's were with Donald Driver and Samkon Gado. What an accurate gage...

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, last year Mark Brunell's numbers were better with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss than Favre's were with Donald Driver and Samkon Gado. What an accurate gage...

I tell you what....stats aside, God forbid Huddle see this, Brunell was a better decision maker last year and cost his team less mistakes.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Fair enough Matty, as far as his whole career goes. You have to give him credit, he’s been great at times, or should I say was great.
But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. If he did say “what are they going to do, cut me?” then he does deserve some criticism. He’s the qp, not the GM & he’s taking advantage of his status IMO. I don’t begrudge him too much for it though, he’s facing a major change in his life. But I do think its fair to say that he’s not acting in the team’s best interests right now & that as a player he’s nowhere near his mvp years. Bottom line for Green Bay is that this team lacks a lot & Farve coming back is unlikely to get them to the playoffs no matter who they sign.

Let's take a look at his actual numbers rather than just throwing around claims about him being any more reckless in the past few years vs. Favre in his early years.

Last year was the first time since 1993 that he's thrown more INTs than TDs.

For his career he's thrown 255 INTs, or an average of 17 per season. During that time he threw 396 TDs, or 26.4 per season.

So let's get real, he's never been a QB that you would call a game manager, or a guy who limits his INTs and plays conservative. He's always been an all or nothing, force throws into tight spaces, and go for broke kind of QB. An old fashioned gunslinger in the truest sense.

He's always been the kind of QB that will throw 15-20 picks per year, but you could also count on 30 or more TD throws most years.

If you take a look at his numbers from season to season, there's not a whole lot different between what he's done in the last 5 years when compared to his first 5 years as a starter, or the middle 5 years or so. He's a high risk, high payoff QB. Always has been, always will.

Prior to the disaster that was the 2005 Packers, he was coming off one of his better years in 2004 when he threw for 4088 yards, 30 TDs and 17 INTs and a 92.4 rating.

I don't think his game dropped off that much last year, but the team round him did. The injuries piled up and by the end of the year he was throwing to guys like Rod Gardner and handing off to Sam Gado for petes sake.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Let's take a look at his actual numbers rather than just throwing around claims about him being any more reckless in the past few years vs. Favre in his early years.

Last year was the first time since 1993 that he's thrown more INTs than TDs.

Alright, well, I looked over his actual numbers and the way I read them, he had 23 picks in 1999 and 22 TDs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Alright, well, I looked over his actual numbers and the way I read them, he had 23 picks in 1999 and 22 TDs.

Oversight on my part, so the first time since '99 and only the 2nd time since '93.

At least we're dealing in some facts now rather than gut feelings.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

At least we're dealing in some facts now rather than gut feelings.

It was never my point to make scientific calculations of my opinion about Brett Farve, nor to back them up by statistics or mathematical equations. And I don’t deny his place in the history books of the NFL. I believe his so-called “commitment” to his team only if they have a chance to win to be pathetic and cowardly. That confirms my feeling about him being a whiney little putz. And if any Washington Redskin ever threatened the same, I would be furious.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think his game dropped off that much last year, but the team round him did. The injuries piled up and by the end of the year he was throwing to guys like Rod Gardner and handing off to Sam Gado for petes sake.

But we're Redskin fans. We don't go by numbers or statistics.

AnE1 hOo iznt a ReDskIn sukZ, LoLz, WTF!!1!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.

Fine, if it makes you happy, I'll retract my statement about his poor play as a factor for "the past few seasons". Yes, he's put up a hell of a lot of stats and more than likely gets into the HOF. But let's not lose ourselves in orgasmic convulsions about the notion that somehow he single-handedly carried the Packers to winning records since '93. There are other guys on those Green Bay teams who dominated the game at the time, along with a superb collection of coaches that put it all together. No, I don't take anything away from his accomplishments, but by the same token, I don't think we can dismiss his 67 interceptions over the past three seasons at some pretty inopportune times that no one seems to care about.

I won't however, allow his current demonstrations of being a whiney little bitch take away from my overall dislike for the man. Not to mention this long held love affair the media has for their Golden Boy.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Fine, if it makes you happy, I'll retract my statement about his poor play as a factor for "the past few seasons". Yes, he's put up a hell of a lot of stats and more than likely gets into the HOF. But let's not lose ourselves in orgasmic convulsions about the notion that somehow he single-handedly carried the Packers to winning records since '93. There are other guys on those Green Bay teams who dominated the game at the time, along with a superb collection of coaches that put it all together. No, I don't take anything away from his accomplishments, but by the same token, I don't think we can dismiss his 67 interceptions over the past three seasons at some pretty inopportune times that no one seems to care about.

I won't however, allow his current demonstrations of being a whiney little bitch take away from my overall dislike for the man. Not to mention this long held love affair the media has for their Golden Boy.

Of course he's not single handedly responsible for the Packers success, who's saying that he is? Besides, what player in NFL history has been single handedly responsible for any long-term success of a team??

But you can't deny he's been a huge part of it. I can't imagine the Packers having anywhere near the same kind of success they've had over the last 14 years with someone else playing QB.

Yeah he's thrown 67 INTs over the last three years, but you also failed to mention he threw 82 TDs over that same time.